pokemon-paradijs.comHello, and welcome fellow nerds players! My name’s J-Wittz, you might know me by my unbelievably long posts and commentary on articles from time to time. Well guess what? Now my long posts are up here at the front of the page with pictures too, so you almost HAVE to read them! I’ve decided that while I COULD write my Battle Roads tourney report in the fullest of detail with my most exquisite memory, it was actually the worst tournament of my career and my first drop below a .500 record, so I’m far too embarrassed to share! What’s that, you’re still curious? Okay, fine, I’ll share my pain with you all in what I declare the most concise tournament report ever. And THEN let me get to my darn article!
J-Wittz’s Tiny Tourney Report (still not the article yet). I played Regigigas
Now normally, most people would lead to this kind of conclusion: “J-Wittz, just because a deck USED to be good doesn’t mean it all of a sudden could be. Also, Power Lock doesn’t work anymore except for with Palkia G LV.X”. But in this article I’ll discuss how both of these statements are wrong.
Attention everybody! The article is ALMOST starting now! For those of you who already know about GG’s legacy and have been playing for a while, feel free to skip forward to deck analysis. New players might get a bit of enjoyment for reading my next section for some good old Pokémon history. It’s the kind of learning you actually WANT to do!
Gardevoir Gallade: A Brief History
pokemon-paradijs.comEverybody and their mother knew this deck in the 2007-2008 season. It dominated Nationals and Worlds through famous names like Jason K. aka “Ness” and Gino Lombardi. With scramble energy and double rainbow energy, Gardevoir’s
In the next season, (2008-2009) GG was initially considered to be a dead deck. With Scramble, Boost, and Double Rainbow Energy gone, and the introduction of Kingdra, the speedy one-energy attack “donk” (early game wins via quick attacks) decks became all the rage. However, moving more toward City Championships GG saw a revival. I compare this revival much to the time when Michael Jordan came back (once again) to play basketball for the Wizards. He wasn’t really that bad, but he had lost his luster, flair, and overall dominance he once had as the NBA’s best basketball player.
If the Wizards were Michael Jordan’s revival, Weavile SW was GG’s. With Weavile’s “Shadow Charge” attack, one could add two special dark energies and attack a psychic to a Gardevoir or Gallade in one turn, thus only slightly slowing down GG’s speed and mildly harming its consistency. With the special darks attached we now had the added bonus with Weavile’s “Shadow Charge” Poké Power: 10 extra damage for each special dark energy attached! The deck fared fairly well, won a couple of City Championships, and expanded even more when it had the added speed of “Broken Time-Space” from Platinum for the year’s Spring Battle Roads. However, cutting edge decks like Flygon and SP took hold for the rest of the year and GG was once again returned to binders of players everywhere.
So why am I still talking about this dinosaur of a deck? It’s because the deck is STILL GOOD! Here in Illinois, most Masters players are familiar with the infamous Jeremy Adams, who has played GG variants in at least 95% of his tournaments since the deck has existed. He is in my mind the best current GG player, and his statistics back him up quite a bit. He’s played the build down to the precision of science or possibly religion, and he continues to perfect it to this day. As of right now, he’s won BOTH of our Illinois Battle Roads with an impressive record of 10 wins, 1 loss. While Battle Roads have such a low ranking value and we’re so early into events right now, just for kicks you can check the US rankings and he is the 3rd highest ranked player.
Despite the fact that Battle Roads are more fun and less competitive events, Illinois is no pattycake of an area to play in. We host some of the best-known players Globally: Jason K. aka Ness (two time world Champ), Alex B. aka Chuck (99 time worlds qualifier), Rob Downs (05 worlds qualifier), Jimmy Ballard (2nd place worlds 06) — who just retired but is still a legend, and Kyle S. aka Pooka (National champion of last year) is just a state away and often here, so Jeremy’s wins here are nothing to scoff at! But now that you have possibly all the pretense in the world, I’m going to take a look at the deck itself (a very close identical to his list–he keeps changing it by a card or two so this is the best I’ve got right now) and tell you all why I think it’s so good. Ready? On we go!
The Part You Came Here For: The Decklist / Analysis
| Pokémon: 26 4 Ralts PT 3 Kirilia SW 3 Gardevoir SW 2 Gallade SW 3 Sneasel DP 2 Weavile SW 2 Baltoy GE 2 Claydol GE 2 Uxie LA 1 Nidoran + RR 1 Nidoqueen RR 1 Unown G GE |
Trainer/Supporter: 22 4 Roseanne’s Research 3 Bebe’s Search 1 Lucian’s Assignment 1 Luxury Ball 4 Rare Candy 2 Broken Time-Space 4 Poké Healer + (can be substituted for more draw, such as Cynthia or more Night Maintenance) 2 Warp Point 1 Night Maintenance |
Energy: 123-4 Call 4 Special D Energy 4-5 P (the call is sometimes substituted for an extra psychic, I believe) |
Analysis:
Once again, for newer players, the strategy is this– get an early Weavile and use his “Shadow Charge” attack to put energy on a benched Ralts/Kirlia. Then, evolve Ralts/Kirlia into a Gardevoir to stop your opponent’s Pokémon Powers or a Gallade if you need to do maximum damage to a high-threat or high-HP Pokémon. Rinse and Repeat.
The first thoughts of most players, including myself, with this deck are usually “this deck is grossly inconsistent”. Jeremy himself often says “yeah, if I don’t get a Weavile T1/T2 or a call energy I usually lose”. The deck has a concise search engine and a massive amount of Pokémon. It’s tech cards are all based on healing or moving energy, and it runs minimal metagame techs. Just looking, and sometimes even actually building and playing this list still leads the researcher bewildered at how someone could keep winning with this archaic deck.
There are two ways to play any kind of deck. High Consistency or High Risk/High Payoff. I have never met a more daredevil player than Jeremy concerning this list. The Poké Healers seem to be suicide– FOUR spots out of cards that could be making the deck more consistent??? Yet, he still plays them and often does uses them for the win. Only 4 psychic energy? Where’s the consistency?
A huge boost this deck receives in searchability is Gardevoir’s amazing power “Telepass”. This power lets you play a second supporter during your turn, and it can be anything your opponent has ever played in their discard pile. This not only adds a huge boost to your search engine by being able to reply your opponent’s Bebe’s, Cynthia’s, Roseanne’s, etc. every turn– but it can also frighten opponents into NOT playing a key supporter in fear of letting you use it. It’s one of the best powers in the game and really makes up for the low trainer/supporter count and low draw power.
pokemon-paradijs.comGG is a deck similar to Flygon in that it is a stage 2 utility deck with plenty of options. The best of which usually remains an early Gardevoir assault. The “Psychic Bind” attack does 60-80 damage depending on if you have Weavile’s “Dark Engage” power in effect, but the effect is sinister. Some might think, “3 energy and only 80 damage is a high price for just a power lock” but it really isn’t. Decks like Flygon especially have a high reliance on Claydol draw and Pokémon SP like Luxray GL LV.X and Palkia G LV.X need powers to work their magic. With energy acceleration through Weavile and a power that adds speed to the deck, GG is actually moderately fast for a stage 2 deck.
The Nideoqueen/Healers tech creates a longer Psychic Lock on the opponent and longer durability. In desperation, Nidoqueen too can be shadow charged and attack with “Ruthless Tail” for 70-120 damage. A lot of readers will seem iffy about this strategy, as I am, but it’s the winning formula Jeremy seems to be riding on. Plus it’s common rumor that Poké Healers are Nation Champ Pooka’s true weakness (he ALWAYS loses to them =P ). A common play is to retreat/Warp Point a damaged Gardy/Gallade for a new one, and then using Lucian’s Assignment to move all the energy over to the new Pokémon. The damaged Pokémon heals on the bench through Nidoqueen’s “Maternal Comfort” and wastes the time your opponent spent doing the damage in the first place.
Gallade is a true tank with 130 HP and his “Psychic Cut” attack– which can do an absurd 200 damage with a “dark engage”, or the prizes can be split for two 140 damage attacks, three 120 damage attacks, or up to 6 100 damage attacks depending on how you distribute your prize-flipping. This makes an easy KO for large tanks like Flygon LV.X, and his fighting type 1HKOs Luxray GL LV.X without flipping a prize.
pokemon-paradijs.comJeremy switches on and off with running Gardevoir LV.X , but for a while has dropped the card. It’s a little inconsistent in a deck that already runs such a high amount of inconsistencies. Gardevoir LV.X’s attack “bring down” is situational and avoidable with Unown G. So all you really get from her (I really want to refer to it as a “him”, it just sounds right :P ) is a Poké Power that acts as a free switch between Gardevoir and the bench, both ways, and 20 more hp. Plus, leveling up leaves you open to a 1HKO by Flygon’s “Extreme Attack”.
Some people might argue the use of upper energy in GG because it’s similar to the big card “Scramble Energy” that made GG so powerful back in the day. However, with the need for call and special dark for acceleration, and then just regular psychics to attack, I just can’t see any space for it. Alternate decks will drop the Weavile and dark altogether for uppers, but I don’t recommend it.
So what is this deck good against/ bad against? The answer is a lot like the one you get from Flygon– “it has a competing matchup against a variety of decks and no clear auto-loss”. Its big enemy lies within Toxi-Tank. Remember when I said Jeremy has just one loss this year? That was to my brother’s crazy Mewtwo-Toxitank-Garchomp C-Luxray GL SP build. Toxitank is quick and takes a big advantage out of the the deck’s almost entirely psychic weakness. Plus, poison prevents you from using “Telepass”. The deck has no real auto-win matchup, it just performs consistently and provides trouble for everyone– nobody likes their powers locked except Scizor/Cherrim, and that deck sees very very little play.
pokemon-paradijs.comA lot of people think that this build has a lousy Flygon Lock matchup. Just one Unown G and a couple of Warp Points? That’s it? Yet I’ve seen it clear lots of Flygons just recently. It just relies on out-speeding Flygon with “Shadow Charge” and “Telepass” while slowing its setup down with “Psychic Lock”. When the level X does come into play, it will find ways to bring out Gallade for the 1HKO. On the offensive, todays “popular” Flygon/Machamp deck doesn’t do enough raw damage to 1HKO Gardevoir or Gallade most of the time. Often a set of Healers with Nidoqueen can wipe away a turn of damage.
And that (phew) is all I’ve got on the subject matter. I think I should add that Jeremy has the supernatural akin to that of Yu-Gi-Oh’s “heart of the cards” where he can mystically draw the one card he needs at any given time. That, my friends, is pure luck and it will certainly help any deck.
Never before have we seen a lack of card rotation in POP– and so for the first time, a deck has remained competitive for THREE SEASONS. What a run! I’m having a ball testing the deck out myself, and I hope you will too. Hope you had fun reading my “Novelette” of an article! Peace!
Here’s the usual question: What do you guys think? Can Gardevoir/Gallade/Weavile remain a competitive deck for a third season? Do you like Jeremy’s healing techs or would you prefer more consistency? Is the deck stable or does it rely on the power of luck?
Nice article, and good try with Regigigas. :P
There’s no Gardy X in the G&G? <_<
Nice to see there are still some G&G players out there, even though I don’t personally like Weavile in the deck.
Nice article, and good try with Regigigas. :P
There’s no Gardy X in the G&G? <_<
Nice to see there are still some G&G players out there, even though I don’t personally like Weavile in the deck.
Great read J-Wittz,
I appreciated the history lesson as I only just got back into the game with Rising Rivals. I love to use Lucian’s Assignment for exactly the reason you describe. Having a Switch can really help out when you have a wounded big hitter with a high retreat cost (e.g. Venusaur SV). Switch, then Lucian’s and all of a sudden you have a fully powered, fully healed Active ready to Attack.
Great read J-Wittz,
I appreciated the history lesson as I only just got back into the game with Rising Rivals. I love to use Lucian’s Assignment for exactly the reason you describe. Having a Switch can really help out when you have a wounded big hitter with a high retreat cost (e.g. Venusaur SV). Switch, then Lucian’s and all of a sudden you have a fully powered, fully healed Active ready to Attack.
This article is sooo gnarly J-Wittz! Seriously, this may be the best article on the site, thanks so much for sending it in!
Your analysis and history of the deck are just awesome, I hope everyone reads this. :)
2 Gallade seems like a bit much, and Gardy X really helps in the deck. I like the idea of PokeHealers in the deck, though I have never seen Nidoqueen played in GG before
I am pretty confident that GG will be BDIF once more when Double Colorless Energy will be reprinted.
double colorless is suppose to have some draw back though
This article is sooo gnarly J-Wittz! Seriously, this may be the best article on the site, thanks so much for sending it in!
Your analysis and history of the deck are just awesome, I hope everyone reads this. :)
2 Gallade seems like a bit much, and Gardy X really helps in the deck. I like the idea of PokeHealers in the deck, though I have never seen Nidoqueen played in GG before
I do enjoy playing this! it’ll become BDIF again that’s for sure!
Well Actually, I think flygon will so much better with Double Colorless… Flygon/Gardevoir wow..
Great Article, but isent Gardevoir LVX important? i would think so.
I am pretty confident that GG will be BDIF once more when Double Colorless Energy will be reprinted.
double colorless is suppose to have some draw back though
I do enjoy playing this! it’ll become BDIF again that’s for sure!
Won’t it have been rotated out by the time Double Colorless becomes, or at least shortly after?
well DCE comes out within two sets, so we should have it by sometime in december. So, december till the end of the season such a combo will be available!
Won’t it have been rotated out by the time Double Colorless becomes, or at least shortly after?
well DCE comes out within two sets, so we should have it by sometime in december. So, december till the end of the season such a combo will be available!
Well Actually, I think flygon will so much better with Double Colorless… Flygon/Gardevoir wow..
Great Article, but isent Gardevoir LVX important? i would think so.
I think we’ll have DCE in time for States.
I think we’ll have DCE in time for States.
Alrighty everybody, I just got back to my school (and beloved laptop) from a church retreat, so let’s get crackin’ on some replies!
@ amt — yeah, I rocked CC’s last year with Gigas, and I just got some lousy matchups :P. I think Gardy X is hard to run because then you need to find space for premier ball, too. I think it’s an option worth exploring but with flygon X out the extreme attack is a OHKO worth avoiding
@ Mach– the alternative here is using a full 4 upper energy line, more techs, more consistency, etc. I like Weaville with my GG just like I like it with my Flygon :D– accel+ damage is always worth exploring! Plus, it gives you a higher good start ratio, leaving you to not rely on call as often.(Yamato even took a lot of the same list/techs that I had with him in his worlds build!)
@ Dave H– Glad you liked it! It’s always nice to be clued into pokehistory– it helps you understand inside jokes, and sometimes understand what makes a good deck today! Lucian’s is (in my opinion) one of the best clutch techs in the game. I especially like it in here because you aren’t “wasting your supporter for the turn” in Lucians because you can still use your opponent’s supporter through Gardy’s “telepass”.
@ Adam– Thanks, man! I’m stoked you posted it! I’ll be sure to have around one of these a week as I notice new things about the game.
@ Pokepockets– I like having more than one Gallade because the deck runs no azelf LA– one prized Gallade can be really detrimental vs. the heavy hitters like Flygon. Also, I like having 5 possible stage 2 cards in my deck, it makes things slightly more consistent, plus it gives you the right to say “haha my raltz can evolve into 5 different stage 2 guys!”.
@ Gelio/Absolution/Alex– Jeremy said the same thing. Double colorless will probably eliminate the need for Weaville. However, it will also benefit other decks like flygon just as much! So in the end, I think double colorless will make GG and Flygon equally powerful decks because they’ll have the same advantages on eachother. Let’s not forget Salamance level X coming from the next set combined with double colorless! Lots of options will become available with that card, maybe that will be a future article of mine. . .
Alrighty everybody, I just got back to my school (and beloved laptop) from a church retreat, so let’s get crackin’ on some replies!
@ amt — yeah, I rocked CC’s last year with Gigas, and I just got some lousy matchups :P. I think Gardy X is hard to run because then you need to find space for premier ball, too. I think it’s an option worth exploring but with flygon X out the extreme attack is a OHKO worth avoiding
@ Mach– the alternative here is using a full 4 upper energy line, more techs, more consistency, etc. I like Weaville with my GG just like I like it with my Flygon :D– accel+ damage is always worth exploring! Plus, it gives you a higher good start ratio, leaving you to not rely on call as often.(Yamato even took a lot of the same list/techs that I had with him in his worlds build!)
@ Dave H– Glad you liked it! It’s always nice to be clued into pokehistory– it helps you understand inside jokes, and sometimes understand what makes a good deck today! Lucian’s is (in my opinion) one of the best clutch techs in the game. I especially like it in here because you aren’t “wasting your supporter for the turn” in Lucians because you can still use your opponent’s supporter through Gardy’s “telepass”.
@ Adam– Thanks, man! I’m stoked you posted it! I’ll be sure to have around one of these a week as I notice new things about the game.
@ Pokepockets– I like having more than one Gallade because the deck runs no azelf LA– one prized Gallade can be really detrimental vs. the heavy hitters like Flygon. Also, I like having 5 possible stage 2 cards in my deck, it makes things slightly more consistent, plus it gives you the right to say “haha my raltz can evolve into 5 different stage 2 guys!”.
@ Gelio/Absolution/Alex– Jeremy said the same thing. Double colorless will probably eliminate the need for Weaville. However, it will also benefit other decks like flygon just as much! So in the end, I think double colorless will make GG and Flygon equally powerful decks because they’ll have the same advantages on eachother. Let’s not forget Salamance level X coming from the next set combined with double colorless! Lots of options will become available with that card, maybe that will be a future article of mine. . .
What were Jeremy’s accomplishments with the gardy? James Flint got 3rd at Midwest Regionals with Gardy/Energy Link/Palkia Lv.X.His list was definetly a better play than the Weavile version.
I’m not 100% sure of everything he did, I know he won a handful of cities and at least 4 battle roads– I believe he got top cuts or high places in states/ regionals with just a Dialgia list– one of the few times he dropped the deck. Flint got beat on time too in that event, he could have done better. However, come battle roads season flint’s GG lists were only doing substandard and Jeremy kept winning. I guess it depends on the time of the season I suppose!
yea ok.
i know flint and i havent lost a game to him in some time.
except my list smashed his.
we actually played the match at reginals for fun.
but i played dialga at regionals.
and are you sure he got third.
What were Jeremy’s accomplishments with the gardy? James Flint got 3rd at Midwest Regionals with Gardy/Energy Link/Palkia Lv.X.His list was definetly a better play than the Weavile version.
I’m not 100% sure of everything he did, I know he won a handful of cities and at least 4 battle roads– I believe he got top cuts or high places in states/ regionals with just a Dialgia list– one of the few times he dropped the deck. Flint got beat on time too in that event, he could have done better. However, come battle roads season flint’s GG lists were only doing substandard and Jeremy kept winning. I guess it depends on the time of the season I suppose!
yea ok.
i know flint and i havent lost a game to him in some time.
except my list smashed his.
we actually played the match at reginals for fun.
but i played dialga at regionals.
and are you sure he got third.
great article, but I would swap an uxie with another night maintenance since you aren’t exactly free on bench space
That’s a more than welcome decision you could make to the deck. It’d boost your late game consistency for sure. The deck actually has a pretty good amount of deck space to work with, though! On your bench you’ve got a weaville, claydol, uxie, and an active Gardy or gallade. That leaves 2 spaces on your bench for another gardy/gallade, the nidoqueen, or another claydol.
great article, but I would swap an uxie with another night maintenance since you aren’t exactly free on bench space
That’s a more than welcome decision you could make to the deck. It’d boost your late game consistency for sure. The deck actually has a pretty good amount of deck space to work with, though! On your bench you’ve got a weaville, claydol, uxie, and an active Gardy or gallade. That leaves 2 spaces on your bench for another gardy/gallade, the nidoqueen, or another claydol.
This is like 6 cards off of Jeremy’s list, but the idea and concept is mostly there.
oh are you from the area? He’s always changing it up from card to card. I know sometimes he uses 4 sneasel and sometimes he doesn’t, and lots of times he messes around with the techs. Either way, he runs the deck like no other
2 other cards that i would try get into the list are the Gardy X and the Pt Gardy
the X allows for extra movement and another attack if necessary and the platinum gardy allows for energy movement and an attack that grows exponentially
dont forget about the occasional azelf that will rob you of a bench space and you will most likely want to have 2 spaces for gardy’s and gallade’s
This deck doesn’t run azelf because it doesn’t have anything you’d lose the game with if it was prized. I’m still a big enthusiast of not playing the level X, but I’ve seen it work both ways. I’ve tried him and I really don’t like PT gardy because you lose the wicked awesome telepass power, you can no longer power lock, you can only move psychic energy, and gallade is a better option for power.
2 other cards that i would try get into the list are the Gardy X and the Pt Gardy
the X allows for extra movement and another attack if necessary and the platinum gardy allows for energy movement and an attack that grows exponentially
dont forget about the occasional azelf that will rob you of a bench space and you will most likely want to have 2 spaces for gardy’s and gallade’s
This deck doesn’t run azelf because it doesn’t have anything you’d lose the game with if it was prized. I’m still a big enthusiast of not playing the level X, but I’ve seen it work both ways. I’ve tried him and I really don’t like PT gardy because you lose the wicked awesome telepass power, you can no longer power lock, you can only move psychic energy, and gallade is a better option for power.
For the record the actual deck plays Gardy X.
He didn’t play it at the Oswego battle roads, did he have it at the Lockport one?
Also man who else would you know that is Chan and would know Jeremy’s deck lol.
-__- I should have read that first! You’d know his list better than I, man. So at lockport was he still using the healer tech and nidoqueen, etc?
Great article and I actually read all of it! I still think gigas is playable with the right list, I’m curious to see your list. I hope for you sake you went heavy on Lucians.
My deck did not run Lucians, it ran a heavy trainer draw engine and as may possible ways to maintain a mesprit lock (SSU, pokemon rescue, 1 tsd, etc). How would you use Lucians in gigas? I’m curious.
It works really well and takes a lot of the recoil from having your x Ko’ed. I noticed when I was playing gigas a lot of my felicitys would discard NRG because I’d have a gigas already powered up so I started attaching NRG from my discard to gigas so he could occasionally retreat and still be able to attack. In a normal game I’m used to having at least 8 nrg on my gigas, so this is great with lucians. Keeping up with you nrg discarding and making sure to attach nrgs to gigas before and after sacrifice allow you to lucians powering anything up in play. So you basically use gigas as a set up pokemon for the rest of your deck(of course he’d still be attacking as your main attacker). But if played right you can have 2 fully powered gigas in play requiring only one initial sacrifice(the rest being to heal the gigas). I also ran palkia x, so I didn’t have to focus to heavily on the mesprit locks because I’d lock long enough to get set up and then I’d ko their claydol and would have no need for mes locks.
A lot of people here are talking about DCE but I am interested on what you think J-Wittz, on Expert Belt which is coming out in a month and a half. If the goal is to maintain a Psychic Lock for as long as possible, then Expert Belt can increase your longevity (even furthered with healing) and can allow to use Psychic Lock rather than Psychic Cut and maintain a power lock for longer.
Most likely the best article on the site.
Thanks for your kind words, man! Expert belt coming right around the corner should even the metagame once more all over again. SP won’t be able to use it effectively because they won’t be able to use their energy gain anymore to maintain speed. Flygon variants can try to fit it but then they can’t play memory berry with it. So basically every thing else gets the bonus (or burden? We’ll be soon to find out!) of good old memory berry. I think expert belt is well worth looking into as long as the deck can maintain speed. As I’ve said before, I think the two decks that will benefit most from expert belt are Kingdra and straight speedrill, so I think this deck will still need the speed of weaville in it to compete untill dre comes out. I’d recommend taking out the healers to make room for a couple of these and something else.
when expert belt comes out the dark concept of the deck is going to be scrapped for DCE and the belt.
but like i said before.
it is expected that DCE will have a draw back
that very well could be. I bet it will be something like “only this kind of pokemon can use this energy” etc. The only reason I keep the dark concept is because I’m referring to the time when we have expert belt but no DCE
This is like 6 cards off of Jeremy’s list, but the idea and concept is mostly there.
oh are you from the area? He’s always changing it up from card to card. I know sometimes he uses 4 sneasel and sometimes he doesn’t, and lots of times he messes around with the techs. Either way, he runs the deck like no other
For the record the actual deck plays Gardy X.
He didn’t play it at the Oswego battle roads, did he have it at the Lockport one?
Also man who else would you know that is Chan and would know Jeremy’s deck lol.
-__- I should have read that first! You’d know his list better than I, man. So at lockport was he still using the healer tech and nidoqueen, etc?
Great article and I actually read all of it! I still think gigas is playable with the right list, I’m curious to see your list. I hope for you sake you went heavy on Lucians.
My deck did not run Lucians, it ran a heavy trainer draw engine and as may possible ways to maintain a mesprit lock (SSU, pokemon rescue, 1 tsd, etc). How would you use Lucians in gigas? I’m curious.
It works really well and takes a lot of the recoil from having your x Ko’ed. I noticed when I was playing gigas a lot of my felicitys would discard NRG because I’d have a gigas already powered up so I started attaching NRG from my discard to gigas so he could occasionally retreat and still be able to attack. In a normal game I’m used to having at least 8 nrg on my gigas, so this is great with lucians. Keeping up with you nrg discarding and making sure to attach nrgs to gigas before and after sacrifice allow you to lucians powering anything up in play. So you basically use gigas as a set up pokemon for the rest of your deck(of course he’d still be attacking as your main attacker). But if played right you can have 2 fully powered gigas in play requiring only one initial sacrifice(the rest being to heal the gigas). I also ran palkia x, so I didn’t have to focus to heavily on the mesprit locks because I’d lock long enough to get set up and then I’d ko their claydol and would have no need for mes locks.
A lot of people here are talking about DCE but I am interested on what you think J-Wittz, on Expert Belt which is coming out in a month and a half. If the goal is to maintain a Psychic Lock for as long as possible, then Expert Belt can increase your longevity (even furthered with healing) and can allow to use Psychic Lock rather than Psychic Cut and maintain a power lock for longer.
Most likely the best article on the site.
Thanks for your kind words, man! Expert belt coming right around the corner should even the metagame once more all over again. SP won’t be able to use it effectively because they won’t be able to use their energy gain anymore to maintain speed. Flygon variants can try to fit it but then they can’t play memory berry with it. So basically every thing else gets the bonus (or burden? We’ll be soon to find out!) of good old memory berry. I think expert belt is well worth looking into as long as the deck can maintain speed. As I’ve said before, I think the two decks that will benefit most from expert belt are Kingdra and straight speedrill, so I think this deck will still need the speed of weaville in it to compete untill dre comes out. I’d recommend taking out the healers to make room for a couple of these and something else.
when expert belt comes out the dark concept of the deck is going to be scrapped for DCE and the belt.
but like i said before.
it is expected that DCE will have a draw back
that very well could be. I bet it will be something like “only this kind of pokemon can use this energy” etc. The only reason I keep the dark concept is because I’m referring to the time when we have expert belt but no DCE
Is it confirmed that DCE is coming out in the next set or two, or is that just speculation?
Seeing the trend of japanese releases, the Gold @ silver packs which contain DRE should be released right after our Arceus set, making it the equivalent of last year’s stormfront. The japanese card name has changed from “double colorless energy” to “2 colorless energy”, but it is almost guaranteed they are the same card. It’s weird, because the heartgold/soulsilver packs seem to be doing a lot to make the game feel like its base set days (x2 weakness is back for everybody, attacks are slightly weaker, old superpowers like “raindance” are back, DRE is back, etc.). It seems like a set I’d really love to play if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s in the midst of a strange rotation system. All of the new “great” pokemon cards will be weaker because they’re still in a league with the powerhouse diamond and pearl cards still out today.
I think that DCE will be released in the last set of this year’s format. Like Rising Rivals this year and Majestic Dawn last year.
Feb set of this season yeah yeah as in Feb 2010.
DCE will definetley be the ressurection of this deck
Im lovin this article.
I cant tell you how many times i wanted to tear this deck apart and couldnt.
My only regrets would be not playing it at reginals.
Mabey I’ll post my exact list later.
Oh and the only reason queen is still played is because Mr. Lucas likes to play that stupid manetric. And so many people at our store now plays it. So it gives me an upper hand on any deck the spreads.
haha glad to hear from the source of the article itself! I know I probably don’t have the exact list down but as chan said, I’m probably ballpark with the structure and idea of it all.
Mr. Lucas owns like 30 + manetric builds I think lol. It definitely wrecked my gigas =P. Lucas is to Manetric as Jeremy is to GG. With or without Nidoqueen do you still play the healers? Either way, the build has always been sick. It has a chance to beat anything!
thanks.
Is it confirmed that DCE is coming out in the next set or two, or is that just speculation?
Seeing the trend of japanese releases, the Gold @ silver packs which contain DRE should be released right after our Arceus set, making it the equivalent of last year’s stormfront. The japanese card name has changed from “double colorless energy” to “2 colorless energy”, but it is almost guaranteed they are the same card. It’s weird, because the heartgold/soulsilver packs seem to be doing a lot to make the game feel like its base set days (x2 weakness is back for everybody, attacks are slightly weaker, old superpowers like “raindance” are back, DRE is back, etc.). It seems like a set I’d really love to play if it wasn’t for the fact that it’s in the midst of a strange rotation system. All of the new “great” pokemon cards will be weaker because they’re still in a league with the powerhouse diamond and pearl cards still out today.
I think that DCE will be released in the last set of this year’s format. Like Rising Rivals this year and Majestic Dawn last year.
Feb set of this season yeah yeah as in Feb 2010.
This is the list that I have played card for card since nidoqueen has been released. Surprisingly I took out dusknoir for it and everyone always gives me hell for.
x1 gardy x
x3 gardy
x2 gallade
x2 krilia
x4 ralts
x2 sneasel
x2 weavle
x2 claydol
x2 baltoy
x1 nidoran
x1 nidoqueen
x1 uxie
x4 bebe
x3 rosseanne
x2 lucians
x4 rare candy
x2 broken time space
x1 moonlight stadium
x1 luxury ball
x4 poke-healer
x2 switch
x4 call energy
x4 special dark
x4 purple energy
x2 upper energy
I love this deck,
it is so much fun to play.
I don’t mind putting up the list because until you have played it,
the mirror match is the greatest game you will ever play.
also
i have never played unown g or night maintenence.
its just how i play the deck.
I don’t believe in those cards.
don’t let anything die.
that’s what the healers and queen are for.
and just something i feel needs to be out there.
switch is a must in any deck right now.
with blaziken and flygon-lock being played these cards are amazing.
oh yeah there are some differences here. This list is the embodiment of high risk/ high reward gameplay, but it always seems to pay off when you’re playing it :P. Even with the list out nobody’s as conditioned with the deck as you to be as good with it, but I’m definitely going to test the build out myself and see what I like/dislike. You going to any more illinois BR’s?
everything was too far for the past two weeks.
so i will be going to the BR in joliet at some libary and the one at collect a card n comics.
i might go to rockford.
but i dont wan to.
Thanks for sharing the list man! I am sure you would wreck anyone here in the mirror match haha. It seems like now more than ever, in game skill is the most important factor in whether you win or lose, not what deck or list you are using.
thanks.
and its true.
you really have to know what you are doing and have to be very good at predicting what your oppenent will do.
i enjoy playing decks that make me think.
that turn one KO in my opinion ruins the game.
mainly machamp.
DCE will definetley be the ressurection of this deck
Im lovin this article.
I cant tell you how many times i wanted to tear this deck apart and couldnt.
My only regrets would be not playing it at reginals.
Mabey I’ll post my exact list later.
Oh and the only reason queen is still played is because Mr. Lucas likes to play that stupid manetric. And so many people at our store now plays it. So it gives me an upper hand on any deck the spreads.
haha glad to hear from the source of the article itself! I know I probably don’t have the exact list down but as chan said, I’m probably ballpark with the structure and idea of it all.
Mr. Lucas owns like 30 + manetric builds I think lol. It definitely wrecked my gigas =P. Lucas is to Manetric as Jeremy is to GG. With or without Nidoqueen do you still play the healers? Either way, the build has always been sick. It has a chance to beat anything!
thanks.
This is the list that I have played card for card since nidoqueen has been released. Surprisingly I took out dusknoir for it and everyone always gives me hell for.
x1 gardy x
x3 gardy
x2 gallade
x2 krilia
x4 ralts
x2 sneasel
x2 weavle
x2 claydol
x2 baltoy
x1 nidoran
x1 nidoqueen
x1 uxie
x4 bebe
x3 rosseanne
x2 lucians
x4 rare candy
x2 broken time space
x1 moonlight stadium
x1 luxury ball
x4 poke-healer
x2 switch
x4 call energy
x4 special dark
x4 purple energy
x2 upper energy
I love this deck,
it is so much fun to play.
I don’t mind putting up the list because until you have played it,
the mirror match is the greatest game you will ever play.
also
i have never played unown g or night maintenence.
its just how i play the deck.
I don’t believe in those cards.
don’t let anything die.
that’s what the healers and queen are for.
and just something i feel needs to be out there.
switch is a must in any deck right now.
with blaziken and flygon-lock being played these cards are amazing.
oh yeah there are some differences here. This list is the embodiment of high risk/ high reward gameplay, but it always seems to pay off when you’re playing it :P. Even with the list out nobody’s as conditioned with the deck as you to be as good with it, but I’m definitely going to test the build out myself and see what I like/dislike. You going to any more illinois BR’s?
everything was too far for the past two weeks.
so i will be going to the BR in joliet at some libary and the one at collect a card n comics.
i might go to rockford.
but i dont wan to.
Thanks for sharing the list man! I am sure you would wreck anyone here in the mirror match haha. It seems like now more than ever, in game skill is the most important factor in whether you win or lose, not what deck or list you are using.
thanks.
and its true.
you really have to know what you are doing and have to be very good at predicting what your oppenent will do.
i enjoy playing decks that make me think.
that turn one KO in my opinion ruins the game.
mainly machamp.
just because you havent beat the deck inover a year is no reason to hate
haha I remember you got FOUR mulligans and I still couldn’t beat you in our top cut game with flygon. I swear Jeremy has some of the strongest random game luck ever : P
gardevoir/gallade had it’s time now let it go I played blissey back in ’08 and GG still found ways to beat me i have tried reviving GG but it just doesn’t work
mabey you just have the worst luck in the world.
randy savage.
aka random scrub
There’s too much stuff in the format that can OHKO or nearly do it faster than Gardevoir charges up to NOT run healing stuff.
i will admit anything that plays luxray sp usually beats the hell out of me.
like you said its just too fast.
but that isnt as much of the playing feild as you might think.
and ragahragah used to beat the crap out of me at pokemon back in the day.
so now im just returning the favor.
It’s because you had home field advantage. haha
It’s because you had home field advantage. haha
I like how Ragan’s avatar has a monocle. Also damn Randy Savage.
I’ve always wondered– where do these avatars come from? Who made them? How many different kinds are there?
They are randomly generated by your IP address I think…there is an infinite amount of combinations of eyes and mouths and shapes etc…
If you want to change it you can go to gravatar.com. I think some of them look cool but others look kinda scary lol. Especially the pointy ones.
yo adam
what kind of deck/decks do you play.
and for future reference
what is the extent of swearing we can do.
you know
just asking.
peace.
Played GeChamp and Gyarados at my first two BRs just to try them out. I haven’t had nearly as much time to test as I did in the past, but honestly I think Blaziken/Luxray seems like the most solid play at the moment. It’s just BR’s though, no need to put THAT much effort into them.
No cursing please, I am trying to keep the site PG. Younger kids and parents go on the site too! I am glad you asked though. :)
mine has a unibrow. its like it knows my nationality.
just because you havent beat the deck inover a year is no reason to hate
haha I remember you got FOUR mulligans and I still couldn’t beat you in our top cut game with flygon. I swear Jeremy has some of the strongest random game luck ever : P
gardevoir/gallade had it’s time now let it go I played blissey back in ’08 and GG still found ways to beat me i have tried reviving GG but it just doesn’t work
mabey you just have the worst luck in the world.
randy savage.
aka random scrub
There’s too much stuff in the format that can OHKO or nearly do it faster than Gardevoir charges up to NOT run healing stuff.
i will admit anything that plays luxray sp usually beats the hell out of me.
like you said its just too fast.
but that isnt as much of the playing feild as you might think.
and ragahragah used to beat the crap out of me at pokemon back in the day.
so now im just returning the favor.
i went 5-3 at nats
you played gengar. at the time considered to be a top deck.
I did play glaceon.
in which i 6-0 two gengar deck with at nationals.
and my premeire rating blew yours out of the water and over a couple of universes.
so.
i’ll go back and forth with you all day matt ragan.
im sorry your bad at this game.
lol.
are you even going to go to any battle roads with us this year.
So far I am loving this site
compared to the poke gym.
it seems that everyone knows what they are talkin about.
and i like how there are reports from
i think mexico BR.
its cool.
The way the site works, as I have mentioned to other people, is through “guided discussion”. Instead of people posting random topics, like they do on other message boards, there is one (or sometimes two) well written posts/articles each day for everyone to think about and discuss.
Quality over quantity is the name of the game. :)
Not to say the other Pokemon TCG sites are inferior, as they definitely all do certain things way better than I could ever do, but this is an alternative form for intelligent discussion. :)
It’s nice because here everybody seems to have room for voice and input instead of the usual complaint-spams other sites can be full of. I recommend this place to any new player because it’s a good way to get some deep, creative insight to the game over a short period of time.
I like how Ragan’s avatar has a monocle. Also damn Randy Savage.
I’ve always wondered– where do these avatars come from? Who made them? How many different kinds are there?
They are randomly generated by your IP address I think…there is an infinite amount of combinations of eyes and mouths and shapes etc…
If you want to change it you can go to gravatar.com. I think some of them look cool but others look kinda scary lol. Especially the pointy ones.
yo adam
what kind of deck/decks do you play.
and for future reference
what is the extent of swearing we can do.
you know
just asking.
peace.
Played GeChamp and Gyarados at my first two BRs just to try them out. I haven’t had nearly as much time to test as I did in the past, but honestly I think Blaziken/Luxray seems like the most solid play at the moment. It’s just BR’s though, no need to put THAT much effort into them.
No cursing please, I am trying to keep the site PG. Younger kids and parents go on the site too! I am glad you asked though. :)
mine has a unibrow. its like it knows my nationality.
i went 5-3 at nats
you played gengar. at the time considered to be a top deck.
I did play glaceon.
in which i 6-0 two gengar deck with at nationals.
and my premeire rating blew yours out of the water and over a couple of universes.
so.
i’ll go back and forth with you all day matt ragan.
im sorry your bad at this game.
lol.
are you even going to go to any battle roads with us this year.
So far I am loving this site
compared to the poke gym.
it seems that everyone knows what they are talkin about.
and i like how there are reports from
i think mexico BR.
its cool.
The way the site works, as I have mentioned to other people, is through “guided discussion”. Instead of people posting random topics, like they do on other message boards, there is one (or sometimes two) well written posts/articles each day for everyone to think about and discuss.
Quality over quantity is the name of the game. :)
Not to say the other Pokemon TCG sites are inferior, as they definitely all do certain things way better than I could ever do, but this is an alternative form for intelligent discussion. :)
It’s nice because here everybody seems to have room for voice and input instead of the usual complaint-spams other sites can be full of. I recommend this place to any new player because it’s a good way to get some deep, creative insight to the game over a short period of time.
The deck isnt luck based at all.
This is pokemon any deck can be competetive if you get the kind of hands your suppose to.
sure there are decks that dominate most other but if those decks get bad starts they can lose to so pretty weird decks.
the trick with this deck is to try your hardest to net at least 4 cards off your first claydol and at least 5 of your uxie.
If you have to haste healers early,
big deal.
Next turn you should be attacking with gardevoir.
most consider me a lucky player because i have weasled my why out of a couple of pretty tight spots.
So what im saying is any deck is amazing if you think your lucky enough.
but luck has nothing to do with it.
you either draw the cards you need or you dont.
pyschic lock just happens to be a great way to make an amazing comeback
if needed.
if you start to try to test this deck.
dont scoop up games that you think you have no chance of winning.
play out every game then tell me if you still think the deck is luck based.
everything you need to win every game is in your deck.
you just have to get to them.
and that is how i play every game.
The deck isnt luck based at all.
This is pokemon any deck can be competetive if you get the kind of hands your suppose to.
sure there are decks that dominate most other but if those decks get bad starts they can lose to so pretty weird decks.
the trick with this deck is to try your hardest to net at least 4 cards off your first claydol and at least 5 of your uxie.
If you have to haste healers early,
big deal.
Next turn you should be attacking with gardevoir.
most consider me a lucky player because i have weasled my why out of a couple of pretty tight spots.
So what im saying is any deck is amazing if you think your lucky enough.
but luck has nothing to do with it.
you either draw the cards you need or you dont.
pyschic lock just happens to be a great way to make an amazing comeback
if needed.
if you start to try to test this deck.
dont scoop up games that you think you have no chance of winning.
play out every game then tell me if you still think the deck is luck based.
everything you need to win every game is in your deck.
you just have to get to them.
and that is how i play every game.
Jeremy, I understand the joking around, but when you admit to being lucky in most of the games we play together or just myself being unlucky, how could you call me a bad player? Especially after that BS Beedrill/Gengar matchup where ALL 3 of your Scoop Ups HAD to be heads in order for you to win? And you still needed a plethora of other things to go right as well? Yeah…
this wasnt aimed at you at all matt.
Jeremy, I understand the joking around, but when you admit to being lucky in most of the games we play together or just myself being unlucky, how could you call me a bad player? Especially after that BS Beedrill/Gengar matchup where ALL 3 of your Scoop Ups HAD to be heads in order for you to win? And you still needed a plethora of other things to go right as well? Yeah…
this wasnt aimed at you at all matt.
lol you guys are hilarious total spam about avatars, cursing, and game luck! Anyway GG is a little too slow for even stage 2 decks. In the past you wanted to attack with Gardevoir by turn 3 and running weavile doesn’t accomplish that in my opinion. I feel that bothare amazingly strong cards but it’s really hard to power up considering they take 3 energy. Gardevoir is hard to utilize since you can’t psychic lock 7-10 turns in a row like you could two years ago. Be patient…double colorless energy is coming back and that should help make stage 2 decks like these make a huge comeback. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this deck come back.
well im sorry we all know eachother personaly in this thread.
find me a forum or any discussion board that isnt spammed.
we like to have fun with it a give eachother crap.
also
gardevoir is one of the best cards ever released in the game hands down.
it doesnt matter when you attack with it..
you dont even have to attack with it and its still broke.
anyway.
the point is to put your oppenent on a ticking time bomb.
if they dont deal with it early it will win the game most likely.
whether you like the lists posted or not the card is still amazing.
and until the entire playing feild is luxray SP
i think this deck will give people arun for their money a third year runnin.
basically i disagree with you in the most polite way possible.
Gust of Wind and/ or Muk (Fossil) are at the top.
lol you guys are hilarious total spam about avatars, cursing, and game luck! Anyway GG is a little too slow for even stage 2 decks. In the past you wanted to attack with Gardevoir by turn 3 and running weavile doesn’t accomplish that in my opinion. I feel that bothare amazingly strong cards but it’s really hard to power up considering they take 3 energy. Gardevoir is hard to utilize since you can’t psychic lock 7-10 turns in a row like you could two years ago. Be patient…double colorless energy is coming back and that should help make stage 2 decks like these make a huge comeback. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this deck come back.
well im sorry we all know eachother personaly in this thread.
find me a forum or any discussion board that isnt spammed.
we like to have fun with it a give eachother crap.
also
gardevoir is one of the best cards ever released in the game hands down.
it doesnt matter when you attack with it..
you dont even have to attack with it and its still broke.
anyway.
the point is to put your oppenent on a ticking time bomb.
if they dont deal with it early it will win the game most likely.
whether you like the lists posted or not the card is still amazing.
and until the entire playing feild is luxray SP
i think this deck will give people arun for their money a third year runnin.
basically i disagree with you in the most polite way possible.
Gust of Wind and/ or Muk (Fossil) are at the top.
if you don’t attack with gardevoir early on you won’t stop your opponent from getting their pokemon out. PLOX worked in that way and that’s why it worked. Gardevoir wasn’t super powerful, gallade is. What made gardevoir so good was you attacked early on. Your opponent ran out of things to attack with because they couldn’t get anything out from powers. Once you gave up the lock, and went to using gallade, your opponent could cosmic power and setup. This format it doesn’t even matter if you lock! You can bank off of cards like cynthia’s and chatot and get back into the game. Trust me i know what i am talking about, i played the deck since it came out…
The best deck back in ’08 was blissey I still use it but with weavile sw
if you don’t attack with gardevoir early on you won’t stop your opponent from getting their pokemon out. PLOX worked in that way and that’s why it worked. Gardevoir wasn’t super powerful, gallade is. What made gardevoir so good was you attacked early on. Your opponent ran out of things to attack with because they couldn’t get anything out from powers. Once you gave up the lock, and went to using gallade, your opponent could cosmic power and setup. This format it doesn’t even matter if you lock! You can bank off of cards like cynthia’s and chatot and get back into the game. Trust me i know what i am talking about, i played the deck since it came out…
The best deck back in ’08 was blissey I still use it but with weavile sw
From looking at this list, I am astonished that he could be a serious competitor with this deck. I find it amazing that he runs 4 Poke Healer +, but yet it seems amazing in the same respect.
This deck would ruin me, but I guess if you play it for so long you really get the inside and out of it, so definitely for experienced players or new ones with a little (lot ;]) of time on their hands to test it out and get the feel.
Its too bad it’s going to be rotated out in September :(
You people just dont get.
you have to build the deck.
i didnt play GG when it was the dominate deck.
for those who didyour only thought is if i cant do it turn two forget.
so trust me.
psychic lock any turn is good.
as long as you lock it up for the entire game after the first it is still goooood.
just dont lose before you get the chance.
in other words dont scoop if it looks impossible.
every game can be won from any situation.
From looking at this list, I am astonished that he could be a serious competitor with this deck. I find it amazing that he runs 4 Poke Healer +, but yet it seems amazing in the same respect.
This deck would ruin me, but I guess if you play it for so long you really get the inside and out of it, so definitely for experienced players or new ones with a little (lot ;]) of time on their hands to test it out and get the feel.
Its too bad it’s going to be rotated out in September :(
You people just dont get.
you have to build the deck.
i didnt play GG when it was the dominate deck.
for those who didyour only thought is if i cant do it turn two forget.
so trust me.
psychic lock any turn is good.
as long as you lock it up for the entire game after the first it is still goooood.
just dont lose before you get the chance.
in other words dont scoop if it looks impossible.
every game can be won from any situation.
The release of DCE will see the return of this deck. spiritomb has revived it again, DCE will completely transform the deck.
The release of DCE will see the return of this deck. spiritomb has revived it again, DCE will completely transform the deck.
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