Testing Results from Last Weekend

Shuppet Platinum PL 92 Pokemon CardIan came down to hang out last weekend and we played a handful of games of Pokémon cards. First we tried out turn 2 Shuppet because Ian seemed to think it might be good (he was actually ecstatic about it haha). We tested it against a couple SP variants. Shuppet was fast and got set up quickly, which enabled it to get ahead, but as soon as the Mewtwo LV.X or Dialga G LV.X came out, there was almost nothing Shuppet could do to win.

In order to counter Mewtwo LV.X, you need to get Banette out. This is problematic because 1. Banette is not so easy to search out and mainly because of 2. SP will not give you an opportunity to get Banette out. Here’s the scenario: You attack with “Fade Out”, return Shuppet to your hand, and send Mr. Mime out. Mewtwo LV.X comes out and uses “Energy Absorption” to get 2 Energies on it. You play Shuppet back down, attach the P Energy, leave Mr. Mime out, and pass hoping to get Banette out next turn.

Here’s the issue: The SP player will retreat Mewtwo, send out Luxray GL and level it up, forcing you to bring Shuppet out via “Bright Look” and then Knock it Out. This is where the game swings. It is going to be somewhat difficult to Knock Out that Luxray, and if you don’t your opponent can just retreat for Mewtwo to stall.

When they try to stall, you will put Shuppet on the bench and attach an Energy. Your opponent will then be able to gust it up again in most cases for another easy prize. You also never have the opportunity to get a 2nd Shuppet on the bench with an Energy attached because you have to use your Energy attachment to put the Psychic back on the Shuppet which you return to your hand every turn.

Basically you never get the opportunity to even get Banette out. We were not playing Poké Blower +, but I suppose if you played it, then you would have the opportunity to Knock Out Mewtwo before it levels up and could probably win. Otherwise there is little you can do. Of course this is only against SP where Luxray GL LV.X can gust up your Shuppet; anything else with Mewtwo would not have such a detrimental effect.

Dialga G LV.X is a problem because it is resistant to Psychic -20, shuts of Mr. Mime’s PokéBody, and can do “Deafen”. “Deafen” is going to prevent you from attaching PlusPowers and Expert Belt, so Shuppet will only be doing 10 per turn to Dialga. I guess you could try to get Banette PL out and do maybe 40 a turn instead, but regardless the SP player can easily Poké Turn Dialga once it’s damaged and you are never going to get a prize from there on out.

So in all, Shuppet appears to be shut down pretty badly by those two cards if SP is playing them, and usually they will be playing one of the two. As for other matchups, I’m not really sure how Shuppet would fair. I have a feeling that it would not do too well against Flygon though.

Omastar Arceus AR 23 Pokemon CardWe also tried a Kabutops / Omastar deck out…to be honest it was pretty terrible. Kabutops is bad because it only does a max of 70. Even though it only takes 1 Energy, Kabutops is not the easiest Pokémon to get in play. The effort it takes for a max of 70 just doesn’t cut it. Omastar is better though, it might be worth tinkering with. I would focus solely on Omastar and just getting tons of Fossils in the discard. I actually think that might be a legit deck, but forget about Kabutops.

If you can get 8 Fossils in the discard and have Expert Belt attached, you will be doing 130 for 2, which is going to 1HKO a lot of Pokémon. Omastar will probably be 2HKO, so if you can just keep the Omastars going you might be able to overwhelm your opponent. We were thinking of maybe using Chatot G and Mr. Mime in the deck, so early game you could grab Fossils and Rare Candies then stall with Mr. Mime. Spiritomb would probably shut the entire deck down though.

I am really not sure what any of the decklists were that we played with, Ian just threw the decks together and it was late at night so I wasn’t paying very close attention to the contents of the decks. Everyone bug him to post the decklists, at least for Shuppet. :p

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  1. ...

    Mmmm…. Turbo Omastar with discarding options is interesting…

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    Mmmm…. Turbo Omastar with discarding options is interesting…

  3. Rishwyn singh

    i went top 4 n lost to this deck in a tournament…i used GG

  4. RandomGuy

    I like how that Shuppet deck plays. I used Shuppet in my old Psychic deck and it was good. It’s a shame that Mewtwo LV. X completely shuts it down and Dialga G LV. X totally walls it. The Omastar strategy with Expert Belt is pretty interesting even though I’m not a fan of fossil decks.

  5. Rishwyn singh

    i went top 4 n lost to this deck in a tournament…i used GG

  6. Joshua Hall

    I think you meant to say, “We were no playing Poke Blower +” to KO the Mewtwo before it levels up.

    Both Shuppet and Omastar are easily countered against, so I would be cautious about playing such fragile decks.

  7. Drew Stillwell

    I did a little testing of Omastar myself for a brief period, and in my experience the damage never got high enough until late game, where it was too late. If you are going to try this deck out, I would go more for either a primary attacker out on the front lines while you discard all your fossils, or just something to stall with until you can build up enough fossils in the discard.

    Also, don’t discard your helix fossils, as tempting as it is. The hardest part about omastar seems to be that at LEAST 10 cards out of your 60 card deck have to be fossils, so good luck fitting much else in there after claydol/uxie/omastar/etc.

    No experience with shuppet here, though. Saw it around at BR, but never faced it, fortunately.

  8. RandomGuy

    I like how that Shuppet deck plays. I used Shuppet in my old Psychic deck and it was good. It’s a shame that Mewtwo LV. X completely shuts it down and Dialga G LV. X totally walls it. The Omastar strategy with Expert Belt is pretty interesting even though I’m not a fan of fossil decks.

  9. Power Swing

    Wow Shuppy? It’s ok but an auto loss to mewtwo.
    Omastar isn’t to great either because it’s slower and is a crammed deck.

  10. Power Swing

    Wow Shuppy? It’s ok but an auto loss to mewtwo.
    Omastar isn’t to great either because it’s slower and is a crammed deck.

  11. Christina

    I have also been experimenting with Shuppet. I play Lunatone and Solrock in my deck with the Mr. Mime. If you have Lunatone and Solrock in play, it prevents any damage to those pokemon from Level X pokemon. I have had the most trouble against Gengar, since I usually have a lot of trainer and supporters in my hand. Also, if my opponent starts with Gastly and prevents me from playing any trainer, I’ve also found it hard to set up. It’s been fun trying this deck, though!

  12. Christina

    I have also been experimenting with Shuppet. I play Lunatone and Solrock in my deck with the Mr. Mime. If you have Lunatone and Solrock in play, it prevents any damage to those pokemon from Level X pokemon. I have had the most trouble against Gengar, since I usually have a lot of trainer and supporters in my hand. Also, if my opponent starts with Gastly and prevents me from playing any trainer, I’ve also found it hard to set up. It’s been fun trying this deck, though!

  13. Joshua Hall

    I think you meant to say, “We were no playing Poke Blower +” to KO the Mewtwo before it levels up.

    Both Shuppet and Omastar are easily countered against, so I would be cautious about playing such fragile decks.

  14. Drew Stillwell

    I did a little testing of Omastar myself for a brief period, and in my experience the damage never got high enough until late game, where it was too late. If you are going to try this deck out, I would go more for either a primary attacker out on the front lines while you discard all your fossils, or just something to stall with until you can build up enough fossils in the discard.

    Also, don’t discard your helix fossils, as tempting as it is. The hardest part about omastar seems to be that at LEAST 10 cards out of your 60 card deck have to be fossils, so good luck fitting much else in there after claydol/uxie/omastar/etc.

    No experience with shuppet here, though. Saw it around at BR, but never faced it, fortunately.

  15. Power Swing

    Shupper works by using it’s fade out attack which hits for 30 and you can return shuppy and all cards attached to your hand. So you could have an expert belt attached and 4 pluspowers and hit for 90 each turn because tour pluspowers go to your hand.

  16. Power Swing

    Shupper works by using it’s fade out attack which hits for 30 and you can return shuppy and all cards attached to your hand. So you could have an expert belt attached and 4 pluspowers and hit for 90 each turn because tour pluspowers go to your hand.

  17. Adam Capriola

    Yup exactly. After Shuppet goes to you hand, you want to send out a Mr. Mime MT or Spiritomb AR with hopefully an Unown Q attached which will give both of them free retreat.

    Mr. Mime can be tough to hit, and Spiritomb slows your opponent down, so they are good Pokemon to promote to the active position. The next turn you play Shuppet back down, retreat Spiritomb / Mr. Mime, then attack with Shuppet again.

  18. Christina

    I also play 4 Buck’s with 3 Vs. Seekers and a Skunktank to add extra damage as well

  19. Christina

    I also play 4 Buck’s with 3 Vs. Seekers and a Skunktank to add extra damage as well

  20. For Omastar’s first attack ‘Time Spiral’ couldn’t you level down the Pokemon, and if the basic pokemon has less HP than the damage counters on it… It would be knocked out, correct?

    So basically — Take evolution off Flygon (Vibrava has 70 HP), Take evolution off Gayarados (Magikarp has 30 HP), Take evolution off Gengar (Haunter has 70 HP), etc, etc…

    So I think that strategy could work as well, and you could take a Lv. X off and put it to it’s Stage 1 form which is very useful.

    •  → Woodstock

      To make sure it’s clear, you can devolve a Pokemon that has a LV. X on it, and the LV. X goes back into the hand/deck in that case, but if the Pokemon is a basic, you can’t just de-Level it. Only Gengar LV. X can de-Level other LV. X’s.

  21. The Thunder

    Woodstock you are right. But it doesnt work on Mewtwo LV.X because it is not evolved so shuppet would still get crushed by a solid Mewtwo LV.X deck. But it is a good idea.

  22. Adam Capriola

    Yup exactly. After Shuppet goes to you hand, you want to send out a Mr. Mime MT or Spiritomb AR with hopefully an Unown Q attached which will give both of them free retreat.

    Mr. Mime can be tough to hit, and Spiritomb slows your opponent down, so they are good Pokemon to promote to the active position. The next turn you play Shuppet back down, retreat Spiritomb / Mr. Mime, then attack with Shuppet again.

  23. Zachary Slater

    For Omastar’s first attack ‘Time Spiral’ couldn’t you level down the Pokemon, and if the basic pokemon has less HP than the damage counters on it… It would be knocked out, correct?

    So basically — Take evolution off Flygon (Vibrava has 70 HP), Take evolution off Gayarados (Magikarp has 30 HP), Take evolution off Gengar (Haunter has 70 HP), etc, etc…

    So I think that strategy could work as well, and you could take a Lv. X off and put it to it’s Stage 1 form which is very useful.

    • Mach  → Zachary

      To make sure it’s clear, you can devolve a Pokemon that has a LV. X on it, and the LV. X goes back into the hand/deck in that case, but if the Pokemon is a basic, you can’t just de-Level it. Only Gengar LV. X can de-Level other LV. X’s.

  24. The Thunder

    Woodstock you are right. But it doesnt work on Mewtwo LV.X because it is not evolved so shuppet would still get crushed by a solid Mewtwo LV.X deck. But it is a good idea.

  25. Soul

    Shuppet is a great deck. Have you ever tried to add in a 1-0-1 Metagross SV line along with one or two Rare Candies? Also with that Rare Candy you can avoid Bright Look’ed Shuppets before they turn into Banette, attach Memory Berry and some Plus Powers and voila’ you can KO Mewtwo Lv.X. Plus the Metagross tech makes it a lot easier for you to OHKO opponent’s Pokémon, especially SPs which Pokéturn out of the damage. For some fun you can tech in Electrode G, together with Metagross and a couple of damage spreaders like Crobat G and Poké-Drawer it’s possible to donk a complete field including bench Pokémon. Again, great website. Keep up that good work Adam!

  26. Saturn

    Can one really use Rosanne’s to get fossils? Other then the underground card to get fossils, how would one get them more quickly? That is the most reason people don’t play with fossils. And what I saw of Kabutops, it looked like he was made only to be a starter till Omastar was ready since it discards fossils for damage but it’s much easier to search up and discard using Felicity’s or Reggi-Ice/Steel.

    •  → Saturn

      No you can’t use Roseanne’s, but you can use Kabuto MD, Fossil Excavator and Aerodacyl AR to get them from the deck, and Fossil Excavator and Omanyte MD to get them from the discard.

  27. Clinton Chan

    Definitely cannot search out fossils with Roseanne’s Research.

  28. Soul

    Shuppet is a great deck. Have you ever tried to add in a 1-0-1 Metagross SV line along with one or two Rare Candies? Also with that Rare Candy you can avoid Bright Look’ed Shuppets before they turn into Banette, attach Memory Berry and some Plus Powers and voila’ you can KO Mewtwo Lv.X. Plus the Metagross tech makes it a lot easier for you to OHKO opponent’s Pokémon, especially SPs which Pokéturn out of the damage. For some fun you can tech in Electrode G, together with Metagross and a couple of damage spreaders like Crobat G and Poké-Drawer it’s possible to donk a complete field including bench Pokémon. Again, great website. Keep up that good work Adam!

  29. Saturn

    Can one really use Rosanne’s to get fossils? Other then the underground card to get fossils, how would one get them more quickly? That is the most reason people don’t play with fossils. And what I saw of Kabutops, it looked like he was made only to be a starter till Omastar was ready since it discards fossils for damage but it’s much easier to search up and discard using Felicity’s or Reggi-Ice/Steel.

    • Mach  → Saturn

      No you can’t use Roseanne’s, but you can use Kabuto MD, Fossil Excavator and Aerodacyl AR to get them from the deck, and Fossil Excavator and Omanyte MD to get them from the discard.

  30. Clinton Chan

    Definitely cannot search out fossils with Roseanne’s Research.

  31. Rogue Archetype

    That Omastar deck idea is rogue enough for me to tinker with.

    It COULD be quite annoying. Oh, how I do so like the annoying deck ideas :P

  32. Rogue Archetype

    That Omastar deck idea is rogue enough for me to tinker with.

    It COULD be quite annoying. Oh, how I do so like the annoying deck ideas :P

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