Let us go back about two years ago in Pokémon. There was a huge card pool of decks to play, yet Gardevoir dominated the game. So, we came up with what we called Sausage. This was our counter to GG. It consisted of Banette and Blissey with a wide variety of techs. The man behind this masterful deck, Jimmy Ballard ran through Nationals eventually losing to Torterra in top 16. I’m sure there is a great deal of people who can remember this deck.
This is a deck I always look back on when trying to break the meta as we call it. It is the same basic concept, do a consistent amount of damage while still keeping the game flowing in your favor. Along with a massive amount of techs to counter the metagame. So here it is my Lunatone Solrock deck.
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19 Pokémon 4 Lunatone (2 SV, 2 GE) 4 Solrock (3 SV, 1 GE) 3 Uxie LA 1 Uxie LV.X LA 1 Azelf LA 2 Misdreavus SF 2 Mismagius SF 1 Ditto LA 1 Unown G GE |
29 Supporters 4 Roseanne’s Research 3 Volkner’s Philosophy 3 Snow Point Temple 1 Moonlight Stadium 4 Poké Drawer + 4 Super Scoop Up 3 Expert Belt 1 Night Maintenance 4 Pokédex Handy 910is 2 Great Ball / Switch / Energy Switch / Bebe Search |
12 Energy 4 Call 4 Upper 3 P 1 F / Rainbow / Cyclone |
Solrock has the same idea as Banette, ‘Luna Turn’ does 60 to a maximum of 80 with Expert Belt with a Lunatone in the discard pile and then shuffle it back into your deck. Then the GE Lunatone’s power ‘Gravity Change’ allows you to discard a card and draw a card if you have a Solrock in play. Solrock also allows you to rearrange the top 3 of your deck if Lunatone is in play. So rearrange the top and draw the one you want. Finally, the SV Lunatone’s body makes all your Solrocks and Lunatones unaffected by level X’s.
This is where Mismagius comes into the scene. I originally wanted to play Dusknoir to get around Dialga G and finally settled on the Mismagius which can shuffle an opponent’s benched Pokémon back into their deck with an attack in stead of a power. In theory without Dialga G all of their leveled up Pokémon aren’t going to be doing much as you swing for 60-80 damage.
This will hopefully force SP deck to change their original strategy. The Ditto is in there just because I think it will help against Flygon, Machamp, and Genger. If they at any point level up any of those Pokémon it could also be bad news for them. Lunatone’s ‘Gravity Wave attack does 30 damage to everything with free retreat, Gengars, Flygons, Beedrills and several Pokémon SP. This puts everything into a closer range with Solrock, especially if they KO the Lunatone for you.
I am very interested to see what everybody thinks. I want to know if you hate it, if you love the idea and why. If there is another deck you think I should be worried about let me know and if there is anything else that can be done to this deck.
I also believe this deck could only get better with the release of the next set, with the addition of Dual Ball, Trader and DCE. If anybody fells up to it, test the deck against anything and everything and let me know what you think.
Coool idea, Great deck. I like the lunarock idea.
Nice article. I’ve used this deck once before, but mine had 2-2 Rayquaza C Lv.X, since you already play Psychic and Fighting Energy, plus Solrock can charge it up. So I could hit something for an OHKO if needed, just Lunarock can’t really hurt bigger guys, especially if they have Nidoqueen out.
When over half of the metagame hits for 60-70 damage anyways, I feel like attacking with lunatone and solrock is just going to be easy prizes for you opponent.
Also, as Soul mentioned, anything that heals will walk right through you. Gengar gets REALLY easy prizes, with all of your 60-70 HP powered pokemon on the bench, and you don’t really have a way to get around fainting spell that I see other than your ditto.
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone thenupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone the nupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
Thanks for the article Jeremy!
I think Mismagius puts the benched Pokemon back into their hand, not shuffle it into their deck. That makes is kinda worse, but it would still get rid of a LV.X for at least one turn.
I’d have to try this out. I too kinda worry about the somewhat low HP. The damage output for 2 Energies is good if you have Expert Belt on, but how easy is it to keep Lunatones in your discard?
I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.
I like the idea behind this deck a lot. I think Lunatone SV could really mess with a Flygon deck with “Marvel Eyes” and “Gravity Wave.” However, I would like to see a bigger hitter in this deck like Soul had mentioned with Rayquaza C Lv.X. I think that the suns and moons are best played as more of a supportive role than your main attackers. Like Adam said, “I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.” This reminds me of how the AMU “Pixie Lock” was added into many Palkia Lock decks.
Coool idea, Great deck. I like the lunarock idea.
Coool idea, Great deck. I like the lunarock idea.
Nice article. I’ve used this deck once before, but mine had 2-2 Rayquaza C Lv.X, since you already play Psychic and Fighting Energy, plus Solrock can charge it up. So I could hit something for an OHKO if needed, just Lunarock can’t really hurt bigger guys, especially if they have Nidoqueen out.
Nice article. I’ve used this deck once before, but mine had 2-2 Rayquaza C Lv.X, since you already play Psychic and Fighting Energy, plus Solrock can charge it up. So I could hit something for an OHKO if needed, just Lunarock can’t really hurt bigger guys, especially if they have Nidoqueen out.
Lunasol… Interesting,that card always work really nicely with stuff. You could consider pokeblower+ Or a Luxray GL Lv.X Tech to take care of Nidoqueen for a 1HKO with a Lake or a Cario GL.
Lunasol… Interesting,that card always work really nicely with stuff. You could consider pokeblower+ Or a Luxray GL Lv.X Tech to take care of Nidoqueen for a 1HKO with a Lake or a Cario GL.
Lunasol… Interesting,that card always work really nicely with stuff. You could consider pokeblower+ Or a Luxray GL Lv.X Tech to take care of Nidoqueen for a 1HKO with a Lake or a Cario GL.
I think Jimmy has slowly raised you to become a new rogue player in his image, Jeremy :P.
I’m messing with this deck right now, it’s brilliant! Have you tested it against any of the guys in the shop, yet? I’m really curious to check it out myself!
I think Jimmy has slowly raised you to become a new rogue player in his image, Jeremy :P.
I’m messing with this deck right now, it’s brilliant! Have you tested it against any of the guys in the shop, yet? I’m really curious to check it out myself!
I think Jimmy has slowly raised you to become a new rogue player in his image, Jeremy :P.
I’m messing with this deck right now, it’s brilliant! Have you tested it against any of the guys in the shop, yet? I’m really curious to check it out myself!
When over half of the metagame hits for 60-70 damage anyways, I feel like attacking with lunatone and solrock is just going to be easy prizes for you opponent.
Also, as Soul mentioned, anything that heals will walk right through you. Gengar gets REALLY easy prizes, with all of your 60-70 HP powered pokemon on the bench, and you don’t really have a way to get around fainting spell that I see other than your ditto.
When over half of the metagame hits for 60-70 damage anyways, I feel like attacking with lunatone and solrock is just going to be easy prizes for you opponent.
Also, as Soul mentioned, anything that heals will walk right through you. Gengar gets REALLY easy prizes, with all of your 60-70 HP powered pokemon on the bench, and you don’t really have a way to get around fainting spell that I see other than your ditto.
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone thenupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone thenupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone the nupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
easy prizes yes.
but my idea behind gengar wasspread with lunatone the nupper a solrock and it gioves you 110 for the ko.
It still doesnt keep them from flippin but it gets rid of gengars
Thanks for the article Jeremy!
I think Mismagius puts the benched Pokemon back into their hand, not shuffle it into their deck. That makes is kinda worse, but it would still get rid of a LV.X for at least one turn.
I’d have to try this out. I too kinda worry about the somewhat low HP. The damage output for 2 Energies is good if you have Expert Belt on, but how easy is it to keep Lunatones in your discard?
I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.
Thanks for the article Jeremy!
I think Mismagius puts the benched Pokemon back into their hand, not shuffle it into their deck. That makes is kinda worse, but it would still get rid of a LV.X for at least one turn.
I’d have to try this out. I too kinda worry about the somewhat low HP. The damage output for 2 Energies is good if you have Expert Belt on, but how easy is it to keep Lunatones in your discard?
I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.
I really like this idea and the temple is their for extra HP. Also, try a Machamp in this deck, you already run Fightings.
I meant machamp lv x, also i like the rayquaza c lv x idea too.
OK i know this is random but, does anyone know how to build a decent fossil deck? Fossil deck is basically a Kabutops and Omaster(from Platinum Arceus) deck. Thx before hand
Oh man hes been threatening for a week now at the shop to build this deck and he finally did. My opinions are that I like like PokeBlower+ over Pokedrawer+ and several more Unown Gs like 3 total in the deck to have a much better matchup against Gengar and Machamp and you can always discard them to Mismagious anyway. Also as you kind of eluded to, Dialga G decks are pretty much auto-losses for this deck, also Turbo Homo-Lock(Gliscor/Spiritomb)
please tell me that’s not a real nickname for gliscor/spiritomb
I’m spreading this name like wild fire because I think it is super gay and I think it’ll catch on.
can they bounse the gliscor if it is leveled up
Yes they can.
Ima get around it some how.
you just wait
I like the idea behind this deck a lot. I think Lunatone SV could really mess with a Flygon deck with “Marvel Eyes” and “Gravity Wave.” However, I would like to see a bigger hitter in this deck like Soul had mentioned with Rayquaza C Lv.X. I think that the suns and moons are best played as more of a supportive role than your main attackers. Like Adam said, “I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.” This reminds me of how the AMU “Pixie Lock” was added into many Palkia Lock decks.
I like the idea behind this deck a lot. I think Lunatone SV could really mess with a Flygon deck with “Marvel Eyes” and “Gravity Wave.” However, I would like to see a bigger hitter in this deck like Soul had mentioned with Rayquaza C Lv.X. I think that the suns and moons are best played as more of a supportive role than your main attackers. Like Adam said, “I like seeing new deck ideas like this though. :) They usually lead to something good.” This reminds me of how the AMU “Pixie Lock” was added into many Palkia Lock decks.
i love it thanks for the article
if this is the only Bolt that i know of.
I thought you would.
pleas send me free pokemon
can yuo send me a tin pleas
Awesome deck idea, the combos are really great. The set up is very nice and the deck construction seems well. Is Mismagius suppose to counter Mewtwo lvl X?
Ever think of playing Shedninja / Ninjask / Lunatone / Solrock ? its basically a spreas deck and you use Ninjask to spread and send out Shedninja / Lunatone or maybe even techs like Mr.Mime and Shuckle since they are grass and psychic type.
I use to play this deck but its only hard matchup was anything with nidoqueen , you might also consider a 1 TM-2 devoluter
pleas send me free pokemon
can yuo send me a tin pleas
Whoops
Hm…interesting idea. TO APPR!
Hm…interesting idea. TO APPR!
Hm…interesting idea. TO APPR!
I really like this idea and the temple is their for extra HP. Also, try a Machamp in this deck, you already run Fightings.
I really like this idea and the temple is their for extra HP. Also, try a Machamp in this deck, you already run Fightings.
I meant machamp lv x, also i like the rayquaza c lv x idea too.
I meant machamp lv x, also i like the rayquaza c lv x idea too.
OK i know this is random but, does anyone know how to build a decent fossil deck? Fossil deck is basically a Kabutops and Omaster(from Platinum Arceus) deck. Thx before hand
OK i know this is random but, does anyone know how to build a decent fossil deck? Fossil deck is basically a Kabutops and Omaster(from Platinum Arceus) deck. Thx before hand
Oh man hes been threatening for a week now at the shop to build this deck and he finally did. My opinions are that I like like PokeBlower+ over Pokedrawer+ and several more Unown Gs like 3 total in the deck to have a much better matchup against Gengar and Machamp and you can always discard them to Mismagious anyway. Also as you kind of eluded to, Dialga G decks are pretty much auto-losses for this deck, also Turbo Homo-Lock(Gliscor/Spiritomb)
please tell me that’s not a real nickname for gliscor/spiritomb
I’m spreading this name like wild fire because I think it is super gay and I think it’ll catch on.
I’m spreading this name like wild fire because I think it is super gay and I think it’ll catch on.
can they bounse the gliscor if it is leveled up
Yes they can.
Yes they can.
can they bounse the gliscor if it is leveled up
Ima get around it some how.
you just wait
Ima get around it some how.
you just wait
i love it thanks for the article
if this is the only Bolt that i know of.
I thought you would.
if this is the only Bolt that i know of.
I thought you would.
i love it thanks for the article
Awesome deck idea, the combos are really great. The set up is very nice and the deck construction seems well. Is Mismagius suppose to counter Mewtwo lvl X?
Awesome deck idea, the combos are really great. The set up is very nice and the deck construction seems well. Is Mismagius suppose to counter Mewtwo lvl X?
Ever think of playing Shedninja / Ninjask / Lunatone / Solrock ? its basically a spreas deck and you use Ninjask to spread and send out Shedninja / Lunatone or maybe even techs like Mr.Mime and Shuckle since they are grass and psychic type.
I use to play this deck but its only hard matchup was anything with nidoqueen , you might also consider a 1 TM-2 devoluter
Whoops
I playtested this today a little against Dialga/Luxray/Garchomp. It actually gives the deck a run for its money, however surprising that sounds. It really depends on the Dialga-player’s list and set-up luck, but SolRock seems viable to me.
I playtested this today a little against Dialga/Luxray/Garchomp. It actually gives the deck a run for its money, however surprising that sounds. It really depends on the Dialga-player’s list and set-up luck, but SolRock seems viable to me.
I playtested this today a little against Dialga/Luxray/Garchomp. It actually gives the deck a run for its money, however surprising that sounds. It really depends on the Dialga-player’s list and set-up luck, but SolRock seems viable to me.
I like the idea of solrock but how would it fair with Flygon/nidoqueen variants, #1 flygon hits BIG and #2 Nidoqueen heals, then in Flychamp Machamp hits BIG TOO. Also, take out would kill this deck because of 1 unown g.
If they ever level up a flygon with the most energy they lose,you just spread all day with lunatone. and uxie and mismagious can take care of machamps.
So it looks like the Queen gives this deck the most trouble.
I like the idea of solrock but how would it fair with Flygon/nidoqueen variants, #1 flygon hits BIG and #2 Nidoqueen heals, then in Flychamp Machamp hits BIG TOO. Also, take out would kill this deck because of 1 unown g.
I like the idea of solrock but how would it fair with Flygon/nidoqueen variants, #1 flygon hits BIG and #2 Nidoqueen heals, then in Flychamp Machamp hits BIG TOO. Also, take out would kill this deck because of 1 unown g.
If they ever level up a flygon with the most energy they lose,you just spread all day with lunatone. and uxie and mismagious can take care of machamps.
So it looks like the Queen gives this deck the most trouble.
If they ever level up a flygon with the most energy they lose,you just spread all day with lunatone. and uxie and mismagious can take care of machamps.
So it looks like the Queen gives this deck the most trouble.
Hi, I think it’s time to put my “French touch” on this deck.
Frst of all , I’d like to congaratulate you Jesus69 for finding and building this deck around lunarock -I call it Lunasol but whathever ! – At least I’m not feeling alone now.
I’ve tested this deck for a long time,against Empoleon (my take, noy the speed version) more recently luxchomp, lady GaGa and luxape. And I found a tech I think that is more useful than mismagius (sorry, no offense ) . I was thinking about Alakazam MT, which does a perfect synergy with the strategy : discarding lunatones and useless stuff to attackto add a continuous power lock. So it’s a continuous threat, that you can use against Machamp and Mewtwo too . Even if you have to find room for rare candy it worth it, I swear ! Against Lxray that can do some trouble ( KOing your uxies ) and some LV .X I added Mankey SV instead of Ditto .
Adam, I read your commentary I’d like to answer you about the low HP problem.
I have to say, It really depends on what are you facing. I’m palying with alakazam, That reduces the chances of evolving (cancelling claydols and uxies) so my opponent has generally not a big amount of HP and a weaknened Firepower.
To resume my opinion, Slowing the opponent is the key to solve this problem. Limit evolution for Stage 1/2 decks, limit SP engine supply for SP decks relying on uxie.
Otherwise, I’ve seen many possibilities in this deck but I’m formal : this deck has a VERY hard time against Gengar, Genchamp. Machamp is unfavorable but still winnable in general, depending of the list. All SP decks that don’t play a Dialga G Lv.X have a very hard time against lunarock, that’s good news.
Jesus69 -and the others !- If you are interested to see a different version of this deck in action – and to provide me precious data about this deck’s matchups- feel free to see how it works on my redshark (hamachi) Network :
name of the network : ericpierrepujol
password : 999
just send me a message. anyways, good work !
Hi, I think it’s time to put my “French touch” on this deck.
Frst of all , I’d like to congaratulate you Jesus69 for finding and building this deck around lunarock -I call it Lunasol but whathever ! – At least I’m not feeling alone now.
I’ve tested this deck for a long time,against Empoleon (my take, noy the speed version) more recently luxchomp, lady GaGa and luxape. And I found a tech I think that is more useful than mismagius (sorry, no offense ) . I was thinking about Alakazam MT, which does a perfect synergy with the strategy : discarding lunatones and useless stuff to attackto add a continuous power lock. So it’s a continuous threat, that you can use against Machamp and Mewtwo too . Even if you have to find room for rare candy it worth it, I swear ! Against Lxray that can do some trouble ( KOing your uxies ) and some LV .X I added Mankey SV instead of Ditto .
Adam, I read your commentary I’d like to answer you about the low HP problem.
I have to say, It really depends on what are you facing. I’m palying with alakazam, That reduces the chances of evolving (cancelling claydols and uxies) so my opponent has generally not a big amount of HP and a weaknened Firepower.
To resume my opinion, Slowing the opponent is the key to solve this problem. Limit evolution for Stage 1/2 decks, limit SP engine supply for SP decks relying on uxie.
Otherwise, I’ve seen many possibilities in this deck but I’m formal : this deck has a VERY hard time against Gengar, Genchamp. Machamp is unfavorable but still winnable in general, depending of the list. All SP decks that don’t play a Dialga G Lv.X have a very hard time against lunarock, that’s good news.
Jesus69 -and the others !- If you are interested to see a different version of this deck in action – and to provide me precious data about this deck’s matchups- feel free to see how it works on my redshark (hamachi) Network :
name of the network : ericpierrepujol
password : 999
just send me a message. anyways, good work !
Hi, I think it’s time to put my “French touch” on this deck.
Frst of all , I’d like to congaratulate you Jesus69 for finding and building this deck around lunarock -I call it Lunasol but whathever ! – At least I’m not feeling alone now.
I’ve tested this deck for a long time,against Empoleon (my take, noy the speed version) more recently luxchomp, lady GaGa and luxape. And I found a tech I think that is more useful than mismagius (sorry, no offense ) . I was thinking about Alakazam MT, which does a perfect synergy with the strategy : discarding lunatones and useless stuff to attackto add a continuous power lock. So it’s a continuous threat, that you can use against Machamp and Mewtwo too . Even if you have to find room for rare candy it worth it, I swear ! Against Lxray that can do some trouble ( KOing your uxies ) and some LV .X I added Mankey SV instead of Ditto .
Adam, I read your commentary I’d like to answer you about the low HP problem.
I have to say, It really depends on what are you facing. I’m palying with alakazam, That reduces the chances of evolving (cancelling claydols and uxies) so my opponent has generally not a big amount of HP and a weaknened Firepower.
To resume my opinion, Slowing the opponent is the key to solve this problem. Limit evolution for Stage 1/2 decks, limit SP engine supply for SP decks relying on uxie.
Otherwise, I’ve seen many possibilities in this deck but I’m formal : this deck has a VERY hard time against Gengar, Genchamp. Machamp is unfavorable but still winnable in general, depending of the list. All SP decks that don’t play a Dialga G Lv.X have a very hard time against lunarock, that’s good news.
Jesus69 -and the others !- If you are interested to see a different version of this deck in action – and to provide me precious data about this deck’s matchups- feel free to see how it works on my redshark (hamachi) Network :
name of the network : ericpierrepujol
password : 999
just send me a message. anyways, good work !
this looks fun, not sure about being competitive.
this looks fun, not sure about being competitive.
this looks fun, not sure about being competitive.
great idea
great idea
great idea
mewtwo X will be a problem
mewtwo X will be a problem
mewtwo X will be a problem
This deck works really well with DCE. Its fast and consistent. With all the donk decks around (see J-Wittz) it could be a good deck to play this format.
This deck works really well with DCE. Its fast and consistent. With all the donk decks around (see J-Wittz) it could be a good deck to play this format.
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