So, no joke, I made my deck in the van on the ride there. Not kidding, no play testing or anything. I was fully expectant on going 1-4 because I had forgotten to think this out beforehand. I figured, and I’ll quote myself here, “Hey, Dialga/Garchomp’s been winning City’s right? Maybe I’ll throw that together, then”
We pulled into the library at about 1, couldn’t get started with registration until 1:30, because the librarian didn’t show up until then. Myself and a couple friends grab a bite to eat at Arby’s, and then go back to the library just as the roster is being posted.
We had a total of 22 Masters, including a number of well known names like spazcrackers (Brent) and Victor P. of the Georgia Marathon. Soon as I figured out how many good people were there, I figured I’d go 0-5, but apparently I accidentally built a very good list.
Round 1: Vs. Blastoise / Blissey
This is actually a mom of a PokéMom that normally comes to the tournaments because she loves to see her grandson play (he placed 2nd in Juniors, if anyone’s interested). Her deck runs on using Blastoise SW to load Energy onto Blissey MT, and use it to sweep. It didn’t especially work out well against me, since I was able to shut down her draw early on, and she couldn’t catch up to the KOs I was getting. “Remove Lost” sending her Energy to the Lost Zone didn’t help, either.
1-0
Round 2: Vs. Gengar AR / Spiritomb
It’s a hit and run deal, just like Gliscor/Spiritomb. Gengar uses Shadow Skip to move back to the bench, and you promote Spiritomb to Active. Nothing especially complicated. He gets a Spiritomb start, which messes up most SP decks, but luckily I got a T2 Dialga G LV.X, which nullified it. Once I started KO-ing things, he couldn’t really catch up. I won fairly easily due to Resistance and Special Metals.
2-0
Round 3: Vs. Gengar (spazcrackers)
I may have lucked out against my other opponents, but as I’m sure some of you know, you don’t get lucky against this guy. Another thing to note is that as soon as I sat down, he started psyching me out with his Santa hat. I knew I was in trouble. He gets a decent start to my terrible one, and misplay after misplay seals the game for him. Even with the matchup for Gengar being bad against most SP decks, he was able to win with smart damage placement and very tactical maneuvers. It was like chess, except I was fairly sure of what was going on.
2-1
Round 4: Vs. Gengar / Mightyena
The details of this game were vague, but I remember it being won by 3 Prizes. He never really got a chance to use the MightyTank combo, because I shut off his Body, and when he used Shadow Room + Poison Structure to KO an Azelf I moved up after a Warp Point, I used the Poison to nab a KO right back without Fainting Spell.
3-1
Round 5: Vs. SallyCatty
On the plus side, I knew I had an advantage here through speed and Power Spray. On the other hand, though, this guy is the same guy who was able to pick up a Dusknoir deck at City’s last year and win with it after not playing for months, at the very least. Uh-oh.
I play this match to my best ability, trying to stop him at every turn I could instead of trying to further myself. Since Dialga G LV.X shut off his body, he couldn’t use Salamence SF to get going early on. Once he finally got a Salamence SF with 3 Energy, and used Combustion on my Dialga G, I used my Garchomp C with a teched Lucario GL to one shot it with Dragon Rush. I then KO’d a Delcatty that moved up, and after that I sniped a Bagon with an Expert Belt for the game.
4-1
After swiss was over, we went ahead and did some stretching, since we knew we were here for another 2 hours.
Top 4: Vs. Kingdra
The thing about Kingdra’s in my area is that people tech them like crazy, and it’s always interesting to see what they can come up with. She was using an Ampharos PL to shut off Gengar’s PokéPower, and Claydol to boot, with a Nidoqueen to ensure she wasn’t locked herself.
Sadly, neither Ampharos or Nidoqueen saw any play against me, though. I was able to start a Deafen lock with Galactic HQ in play early in the first game, and I Power Spray’d her Uxie drops. She scoops when it’s 4-2 into the first game, and the second goes no better than that.
Top 2: Vs. Kingdra
I was glad this guy was the one who made it to finals. He’s a really great guy that’s fun to be around. There was really no other person I’d rather be playing at 1 AM.
First game was pretty much an extended donk. I got an opening hand of Lucario GL, 3 Poké Turns, and 3 Energy Gains. He took 2 turns to KO me with Dragon Pump.
Second game, was more of a match, though. We easily got setup (regardless of my Baltoy start). Then, it was a trading of blows. He got Expert Belt Kingdra rolling off the bat and started hitting for 60-20 because of my Special Metals. I hit him for 80 with Remove Lost. Eventually, Remove Lost won me the game because since his Energy kept ending up in the Lost Zone, he couldn’t Aqua Stream for very much. That, coupled with me Power Spraying his Claydol made him have few attack options.
In the third game, time was called about 2 turns in. First prize won, so I grabbed my Dialga G LV.X and hit his Kingdra that I had Second Strike’d last turn for the game.
Props:
Last minute preparation
Arby’s
The TO’s for being awesome people
Claydol only having enough HP to be KO’d by Garchomp C
Slops:
Horrifying starts that shouldn’t happen to anyone. Seriously, 3 Energy Gain? And I only run 3? Really?
Is there a big reason that nobody is leaving deck lists with there reports.
Also not only does it look like you net-decked the build that has been winning the most but look at the match-ups. You didnt even play the mirror match.
So, congrats on the win i guess.
I didn’t leave a list because if I gave a list, I would want to explain it. That’s called a strategy article, not a tournament report. I don’t think that my list is generic, anyway, because apparently people are using Expert Belt for some reason, with Snowpoint Temple instead of Galactic HQ. I also didn’t run any SP techs besides a Crobat G, Bronzong G, and Lucario GL.
I had just been wanting to test Dialga for a while, and I never really got around to it. It’s extremely insulting that you’re suggesting that I net-decked. I just built an archetype.
Idk says cities report if you ask me.
Ther are two ways to build sp right now
Dialga or blazekin.
and Expert belt with snow point is the best way to run the deck.why run Hq. if you run into the mirror match it a dead card in your deck.
And dont give me that.Im insulted!
If you net-deck an idea it just means you didnt come up with it first so get off your high horse and suck it up.
Well, in the interest of not starting a flame war, I’m sorry you feel that I net-decked. It wasn’t my intention to make it come across that way if I had suggested it in any way.
you either see things being played at a tournament, see them online, or invent them (or innovations / variants of something) yourself
u cant say this, and then tell people they net-deck. unless of course you played and won with Dialga and Blazekin first and people copied you.
Mach- Im really not interested in gettin into an argument either.
dillz-Yes, I can say this.If you play with a list or idea that was already put together you have net-decked.
It isnt like it is a bad thing to do. It is the easiest way to play games.Play the deck that does well and it has.
The two best SP decks are Blazeray and Dialga tank. The only two that have won anything.
I think you people need to learn the terms of card games before you lose it for the wrong reason.
Snowpoint is a dead card in the mirror, too. You certainly don’t want to be giving your opponent that benefit.
To be honest, I think the Skuntank G-Stadium thing is extremely situational, I used it at my first CC’s, and it did nothing but become dead cards in my deck because there was so much SP.
Against SP, everything becomes neutralized basically, if you gain +20 HP from Snowpoint, so does your opponent.
Galactic HQ becomes deader than dead.
The only one I consider playing if I do decide on doing the Poison Structure thing, is Conductive Quarry to retrieve special metals back into my hand which is more selfish and guarantees more usefulness for myself than my opponent, unless it’s the mirror. =/
I don’t know how adding a deck list turns a tournament report into a strategy article, because its not theories anymore when there are actual results to back them up. Net-decking and building an archetype is practically arguing that ketchup and catsup are different things. If you know the support, its easy to fill the gaps. If anybody tries to claim they got creative with an SP deck, I definitely call bullshit because regardless of variety SP decks are almost always at least 60% identical.
You didn’t read what I said. I said I’d want to explain my list, and that would turn it into a strategy article. Give a list, and someone complains about how bad it is. Therefore, I don’t write strategy articles. To be honest, I think the ones that are complaining about the lack of a list are the ones who net-deck.
I have a problem with your definition of net-decking. See, if your definition is correct, then every deck that isn’t some random rogue is net-decked. However, when someone does built that random rogue and does badly with it, I bet people who spout that definition are the first ones saying “Kingdra/Gengar/Luxape does this better”.
Going on your claim that SP decks require no creativity, lets look at percentages for metagame decks as a whole. You have 4 Bebe’s, 4 Roseanne’s, 4 Rare Candy, a Luxury Ball, a Uxie, and a 2-2 Claydol line. That’s 18 cards there, not even including stuff that are still considered techs like Warp Point and Call Energy, and standard draw supporters like Cynthia’s Feelings. 18 cards comes out to be 30 % of your deck. Subtract the Rare Candy and 2 Bebe’s and add in the SP engine (4 Energy Gain, 4 PokeTurn, 3 SP Radar, 4 Power Spray, and 4 Cyrus with 2 in some combination of Galactic HQ/Snowpoint/Champion’s Room) along with the single Crobat G that almost all SP’s are sure to run and you have 34. Which is 57% of the deck. I guess if you think about it that way, sure, they require no creativity. How about you pick some random list up off ‘Gym or somewhere and see how many X-1’s it gets you at tournaments? I mean, they’re all the same, right?
Building a deck based on a concept you’ve heard of is different from net-decking. Net-decking generally means when one builds a list that you see online and run it card-for-card, or with very little variation. Given that I had never even seen a Dialga/Garchomp list before I ran it, that seems unlikely, no?
Hah, last weekend I was 2nd in line for registration, and then when they called next, I went to the table, was midway into handing them my list, and then for whatever reason I said “Hold on…” left the line, and built a Blazeray list off the top of my head and turned it in instead.
I got 2nd. Haha.
I think you did an awesome job man, it’s tough to play a deck without any prior experience with it.
And there is nothing wrong with playing the deck that is dominating at the moment…that’s what I would do if I was trying to win.
Thanks, I really wasn’t confident in the list. I figured I’d just consider it playtesting and hope it didn’t hurt my rating too much.
Yeah, congrats on the win! No shame in playing the best deck you can throw together. I play tier one decks all the time and pull ideas from anywhere I can. Sure I’ll play a rogue deck if I feel it counters the meta well, but hey we all play this game because its fun and winning is even more fun, right? Props on a good win and a good article.
Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to ask. While you were playing is there anything other than maxing out the E-gains that you felt was an oversight in your list that in retrospect would have helped?
I think I could’ve cut some Energy. 9-11 seems like a good number, and I was running 12.
Well, i hope you got the idea of dialga g and garchomp c from my article. If you did then i am very happy. Also, i run 11 energy in my version and snowpoint temple + Expert Belt is the best way in this deck.
Great job. Very nice deck.
Do you find that 11 energy is enough? I usually run big hitting stage 2 decks, I just like knowing I can take a prize each turn, but have never run less than 14 energy in a deck. Do you draw into them consistently or do you need to hit a rosy or cyrus? My one buddy is working on a list for these two and has trouble with energy drops 1/3 games. I’ve avoided SP’s to this point, but they definitely have their merits.
Is there a big reason that nobody is leaving deck lists with there reports.
Also not only does it look like you net-decked the build that has been winning the most but look at the match-ups. You didnt even play the mirror match.
So, congrats on the win i guess.
I didn’t leave a list because if I gave a list, I would want to explain it. That’s called a strategy article, not a tournament report. I don’t think that my list is generic, anyway, because apparently people are using Expert Belt for some reason, with Snowpoint Temple instead of Galactic HQ. I also didn’t run any SP techs besides a Crobat G, Bronzong G, and Lucario GL.
I had just been wanting to test Dialga for a while, and I never really got around to it. It’s extremely insulting that you’re suggesting that I net-decked. I just built an archetype.
Idk says cities report if you ask me.
Ther are two ways to build sp right now
Dialga or blazekin.
and Expert belt with snow point is the best way to run the deck.why run Hq. if you run into the mirror match it a dead card in your deck.
And dont give me that.Im insulted!
If you net-deck an idea it just means you didnt come up with it first so get off your high horse and suck it up.
Well, in the interest of not starting a flame war, I’m sorry you feel that I net-decked. It wasn’t my intention to make it come across that way if I had suggested it in any way.
you either see things being played at a tournament, see them online, or invent them (or innovations / variants of something) yourself
u cant say this, and then tell people they net-deck. unless of course you played and won with Dialga and Blazekin first and people copied you.
Mach- Im really not interested in gettin into an argument either.
dillz-Yes, I can say this.If you play with a list or idea that was already put together you have net-decked.
It isnt like it is a bad thing to do. It is the easiest way to play games.Play the deck that does well and it has.
The two best SP decks are Blazeray and Dialga tank. The only two that have won anything.
I think you people need to learn the terms of card games before you lose it for the wrong reason.
Snowpoint is a dead card in the mirror, too. You certainly don’t want to be giving your opponent that benefit.
To be honest, I think the Skuntank G-Stadium thing is extremely situational, I used it at my first CC’s, and it did nothing but become dead cards in my deck because there was so much SP.
Against SP, everything becomes neutralized basically, if you gain +20 HP from Snowpoint, so does your opponent.
Galactic HQ becomes deader than dead.
The only one I consider playing if I do decide on doing the Poison Structure thing, is Conductive Quarry to retrieve special metals back into my hand which is more selfish and guarantees more usefulness for myself than my opponent, unless it’s the mirror. =/
I don’t know how adding a deck list turns a tournament report into a strategy article, because its not theories anymore when there are actual results to back them up. Net-decking and building an archetype is practically arguing that ketchup and catsup are different things. If you know the support, its easy to fill the gaps. If anybody tries to claim they got creative with an SP deck, I definitely call bullshit because regardless of variety SP decks are almost always at least 60% identical.
You didn’t read what I said. I said I’d want to explain my list, and that would turn it into a strategy article. Give a list, and someone complains about how bad it is. Therefore, I don’t write strategy articles. To be honest, I think the ones that are complaining about the lack of a list are the ones who net-deck.
I have a problem with your definition of net-decking. See, if your definition is correct, then every deck that isn’t some random rogue is net-decked. However, when someone does built that random rogue and does badly with it, I bet people who spout that definition are the first ones saying “Kingdra/Gengar/Luxape does this better”.
Going on your claim that SP decks require no creativity, lets look at percentages for metagame decks as a whole. You have 4 Bebe’s, 4 Roseanne’s, 4 Rare Candy, a Luxury Ball, a Uxie, and a 2-2 Claydol line. That’s 18 cards there, not even including stuff that are still considered techs like Warp Point and Call Energy, and standard draw supporters like Cynthia’s Feelings. 18 cards comes out to be 30 % of your deck. Subtract the Rare Candy and 2 Bebe’s and add in the SP engine (4 Energy Gain, 4 PokeTurn, 3 SP Radar, 4 Power Spray, and 4 Cyrus with 2 in some combination of Galactic HQ/Snowpoint/Champion’s Room) along with the single Crobat G that almost all SP’s are sure to run and you have 34. Which is 57% of the deck. I guess if you think about it that way, sure, they require no creativity. How about you pick some random list up off ‘Gym or somewhere and see how many X-1’s it gets you at tournaments? I mean, they’re all the same, right?
Building a deck based on a concept you’ve heard of is different from net-decking. Net-decking generally means when one builds a list that you see online and run it card-for-card, or with very little variation. Given that I had never even seen a Dialga/Garchomp list before I ran it, that seems unlikely, no?
Oh yes and congrats on the win, but i think you should definetely run snowpoint temple in this deck cause it helps dialga g gain more hp.
Hah, last weekend I was 2nd in line for registration, and then when they called next, I went to the table, was midway into handing them my list, and then for whatever reason I said “Hold on…” left the line, and built a Blazeray list off the top of my head and turned it in instead.
I got 2nd. Haha.
I think you did an awesome job man, it’s tough to play a deck without any prior experience with it.
And there is nothing wrong with playing the deck that is dominating at the moment…that’s what I would do if I was trying to win.
Thanks, I really wasn’t confident in the list. I figured I’d just consider it playtesting and hope it didn’t hurt my rating too much.
Lol dont listen to these kids parroting what they have obviously heard from people who haven’t even tested the deck and just base their assumptions off of random conjectures. Snowpoint definitely isn’t NECESSARY (but can obv be used) and becomes a liability in multiple match-ups. Quarry, GQ, and Tower are all usually better in its place.
Lol dont listen to these kids parroting what they have obviously heard from people who haven’t even tested the deck and just base their assumptions off of random conjectures. Snowpoint definitely isn’t NECESSARY (but can obv be used) and becomes a liability in multiple match-ups. Quarry, GQ, and Tower are all usually better in its place.
Yeah, congrats on the win! No shame in playing the best deck you can throw together. I play tier one decks all the time and pull ideas from anywhere I can. Sure I’ll play a rogue deck if I feel it counters the meta well, but hey we all play this game because its fun and winning is even more fun, right? Props on a good win and a good article.
Oh and gj on the win :)
Oh and gj on the win :)
Sorry for the double post, but I forgot to ask. While you were playing is there anything other than maxing out the E-gains that you felt was an oversight in your list that in retrospect would have helped?
I think I could’ve cut some Energy. 9-11 seems like a good number, and I was running 12.
Well, i hope you got the idea of dialga g and garchomp c from my article. If you did then i am very happy. Also, i run 11 energy in my version and snowpoint temple + Expert Belt is the best way in this deck.
congratz on the win!!!!
Great job. Very nice deck.
Do you find that 11 energy is enough? I usually run big hitting stage 2 decks, I just like knowing I can take a prize each turn, but have never run less than 14 energy in a deck. Do you draw into them consistently or do you need to hit a rosy or cyrus? My one buddy is working on a list for these two and has trouble with energy drops 1/3 games. I’ve avoided SP’s to this point, but they definitely have their merits.
Oh yes and congrats on the win, but i think you should definetely run snowpoint temple in this deck cause it helps dialga g gain more hp.
Also, to Mach:
People use Expert Belt and Skuntank in their Dialga G builds because it lets you use Deafen more often for up to 50 total damage.
For a 52 card deck, 7 shuffles gets the cards most randomized.
60 cards is pretty close to 52, so I always try to shuffle 7 times then cut my deck, sometimes 8 times, not much of a difference. I guess pile shuffling works, too.
Then again, any 7 card hand should be just as random as any other. It just so happens we don’t like the ones with 3 Energy Gains, so it happens to be “unlucky” ;)
What’s with everyone getting so defensive in this article?
Dialga G/Garchomp C is a heck of a lot less common than BlazeRay. Playing the best cards in the meta-game is obviously a legitimate strategy rather than just folding by coming up with less consistent rogue decks. (Which happens more often than some one person revolutionizing the meta-game).
Yeah, go away Jesus.
congratz on the win!!!!
Also, to Mach:
People use Expert Belt and Skuntank in their Dialga G builds because it lets you use Deafen more often for up to 50 total damage.
For a 52 card deck, 7 shuffles gets the cards most randomized.
60 cards is pretty close to 52, so I always try to shuffle 7 times then cut my deck, sometimes 8 times, not much of a difference. I guess pile shuffling works, too.
Then again, any 7 card hand should be just as random as any other. It just so happens we don’t like the ones with 3 Energy Gains, so it happens to be “unlucky” ;)
What’s with everyone getting so defensive in this article?
Dialga G/Garchomp C is a heck of a lot less common than BlazeRay. Playing the best cards in the meta-game is obviously a legitimate strategy rather than just folding by coming up with less consistent rogue decks. (Which happens more often than some one person revolutionizing the meta-game).
Yeah, go away Jesus.
I guess the best thing we can say about this is, it’s not the deck, it’s the player. And given that this deck is very popular right now, Mach obviously did something different or better to stand out from the pack in order to pull the victory.
I guess the best thing we can say about this is, it’s not the deck, it’s the player. And given that this deck is very popular right now, Mach obviously did something different or better to stand out from the pack in order to pull the victory.
great one! just encorparate expert belt in your deck for bonus hp and damage
great one! just encorparate expert belt in your deck for bonus hp and damage
Good job bro, this guy has such a huge success statistic right now in the current format with plenty of good match ups that imo, if there is NO Fire threat (Blaziken FB…etc?), then he’s guaranteed to get at least top cut at 1st 2nd or 3rd.
Good job bro, this guy has such a huge success statistic right now in the current format with plenty of good match ups that imo, if there is NO Fire threat (Blaziken FB…etc?), then he’s guaranteed to get at least top cut at 1st 2nd or 3rd.
Good job by winning with a deck you made in your car.
Dialga/Chomp is really good lol
Good job by winning with a deck you made in your car.
Dialga/Chomp is really good lol
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i wise pokemon master once said that to do good in tournements you would usally have to either use a popular deck like luxape or blaze lux or gchomp or net deck coughkwisdumcough
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