Viletomb? Spiritplume? Gengar/Vileplume.
This is my second deck analysis, and the third deck I’ve ever built since beginning the Pokémon TCG with my girlfriend. After doing some research on what I wanted to play besides Tyranitar this looked like alot of fun. It also seemed somewhat competitive and cheap considering I would not need to find/buy a whole line of SP trainers for an SP Based deck.
Concept
Begin with Spiritomb. If you have to start with a Gastly and then play your supporters in order to get Spiritomb active, do so. This will start the “Trainer Lock” which is the entire theory the deck is based around. Once this happens, it will tremendously slow down the opponent’s deck while also helping you to get setup through “Darkness Grace”. This no energy move allows you to find an evolved pokemon of your choice from your deck and place it onto the according basic Pokémon on your bench.
This provides the control you need before Vileplume is setup. Once Vileplume is setup your opponent will be often times stuck with a handful of Trainers/Supporters. This is exactly what you want when you attack using Gengar.
SPIRITOMB! Play four of these and try your best to begin with him.
pokemon-paradijs.comGENGAR! A great card & Pokémon. The version you would use in this deck is Gengar from Stormfront. The move “Poltergeist” will be your main damage dealer. It does 30× the number of trainers & Supporters in your opponent’s hand. This damage will vary, but it will often be very high.
Also providing they have any low HP Pokémon on their bench, you can use his other move which for 1 Psychic which does 30 damage or 60 if they have a Poké Power. Did I mention Gengar has free retreat?
Oh, one more thing. If he happens to be KO’d – You flip a coin. If heads, the opponent’s attacking pokemon is Knocked Out too.
X! Gengar LV.X, once played, using its pokempower will allow you to remove 1 Lvl.X from one of your opponents pokemon and have them reshuffle it into their deck. This is also great vs SP decks. A great counter to a very dangerous counter to your trainer lock. To remove “Dialga Lvl.X” pokebody which shuts off all poke powers and pokebodies of non Pokémon SP. This could also be used against “Luxray X”, “Garchomp X”, Or even “Uxie X”.
pokebeach.comVILEPLUME! Your big bad benchwarmer. The plant that gives oxygen to your deck. As long as he is on your bench the all important trainer lock will be in play.
Trainers & Supporters
Copycat will be great drawpower for you since the trainer lock should force your opponent into having a ‘large hand’. Warp Energy will help you to retreat your Vileplume if he is forced into active. Call Energy will obviously speed your deck and add consistency.
The only trainers this deck would play are Luxury Ball (why not?) and 2 Rare Candy. These would be for those gloomy situations where your Vileplume is removed or early game before a lock is established.
Broken Time Space or Miasma Valley?
I could use opinions here. Miasma Valley states that when a Pokémon is put from either players hand, to the bench it places two damages counters on that Pokémon. BTS would obviously be to help speed your deck. However, if you played Miasma Valley this would spread damage to your opponent’s bench throughout the game. Grass and Psychic types are exceptions to Miasma Valley which means nearly your entire bench would be protected from it, with the exception of Spiritomb, who would most frequently be active if played.
This is a concept based on my findings of Vileplume’s introduction to the game. This is also probably the deck I would play at my first Battle Roads. I’d appreciate criticism and advice on Energy selection, Trainer, Supporters, and Stadium cards especially. Call or Warp? or both?
Thanks and hopefully this was useful to some of you.
Decklist
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Pokémon 25
4 Spiritomb |
T/S/S 22
4 Miasma Valley or BTS |
Energy 13 |
This is a nice version of the new decks I have seen popping up. I like the concept a lot, but I would run 1 or 2 Unown Q’s.This would allow you to get your Spiritomb back from the active w/ now energy penalty, and it would also allow you to have a way to get Ghastly away from the active for free. And it’s searchable with a Pokemon Collector. I would also take out a Looker’s or a Bebe’s to add in another rare candy. Since your deck is based upon having 2 different stage 2 Pokemon in play, rapid evolutions become key. The increased amounts of rare candy would be come dead draws late game, but it would also increase the chances of drawing one early.
Also imagine this situation for a minute: You have trainer lock in play with a Vileplume on the bench, you have an active Gengar, and your Spiritomb is dead. The SP player you are fighting is running Blazechomp, and they have a Luxray ready to Brightlook your Plume into active. They do so and then retreat and do 160 to your Plume w/ Blazikin FB Lv.X. All you need to have in your hand is an Oddish, Rare candy, and a Plume, then BAM! Next turn you have another active Plume ready to stop the trainers. It would come in handy then, to have a few more candies.
Also in my opinion, I would run a Flower Shop Girl in lieu of the Palmer’s, just because you get six cards back instead of the 5 from Palmer’s. I’d rather have 6 back late game than 5 plus customization. But again that’s just me.
Another thing you should 100% do is use the Ghastly with the attack Pitch Dark from Stormfront 62/100. It requires no energy and it’s effect is that the opponent can’t use trainers next turn. It provides trainer lock when you have a lone card, or you cannot get an Unown Q or energy on to it for retreat.
Just to wrap it up, great article, but make a few changes and play some test games before battle roads. If you are going to Huntsville, I’ll see you there. If not, good luck with this deck idea!!!
3lectricpancake
I do use SF gengar for pitchdark.
Gastley is the one that does pitch dark, not gengar :) lol
whoops. Meant Gastley. Mistype.
gastly you mean?
just a quick clarification- Vileplume has x2 weakness to Psychic, not fire, so it could survive at least 1 hit from Blaziken FB. Blaziken is still a threat to Vileplume, but not quite as much as indicated
Luring Flame and 2 retreat means Vileplume is a sitting duck for Blaziken, weakness or not. You can only burn so many energies retreating before completely destroying your deck.
That psychic weakness throws me off….
Not really as long as you have a Gengar with at least 1 energy, luring flame wouldn’t scare me. You can just Q Vileplume and then retreat for 1 energy. So its not that bad of a situation..
but then you wouldnt be able to attach to gengar that turn, meaning no poltergeist. Then he can reoat the process next turn again, until you run out of energies on your hand, or on your deck.
Its not perfect, and if you get the poltergeist thing could get bad, but its good for buying some time until you hit a supporter
Oops. My bad. Well, for the sake of the argument, let’s say its gonna die next turn. :)
Oops. My bad. Well, for the sake of the argument, let’s say its gonna die next turn. :)
Thanks! I edited it so it would fix the issue. :D
I think you could build a Cursegar Deck for around 50-80 bucks if you tried on Ebay and got some deals and good trades. Spiritombs can be found for as low as 7-10 bucks, and the curse Gengar AA is only like 2 bucks. Gengar Lv.X’s are around 10. so you are looking at your main attackers and techs being around 56 bucks. The trainers are a different story. Maybe like 20-30 bucks for some of the ones you need, but I would trade for them personally. And draw power, (AKA Uxies for most) will set you back 10 bucks apiece as well.
Thanks a ton!!!
-1 warp NRG =1 q
Just like a random question to throw out there, what would be the least expensive (but still tier 1 competitive) deck out there right now?
You could try steelix tank. Honestly you could get every single card for like $50. The deck is as also a pretty simple build. Call energies might be a little expensive but not too bad.
vileplume is weak to psychic not fire. The would use Uxie Lv x.
Because the undaunted Vilplume line is weak against Psychic it’s best to use oddish from LA to prevent getting donked by uxie.
oddish ud can get a heads to search out a grass. nobudy will start uxie.
Sablelock is relatively cheap.
if you dont include uxie x or toxicroak g promo it can be lol
shuppet is the cheapest by far
But what is going to replace Mr. Mime?
rapidash, dusknoir sf, shedinja.
I wouldn’t bank on the copycat idea. Good idea and will work often, but Murphy says that if you depend on it, it will fail you when you need it most. You are going to play one and your opponent will wisen up.
And also I chose BTS over Miasma valley. Since trainers are out due to vileplumke and spiritomb it makes the deck so much faster since you can use rare candies.
Dialga G LV X.
I’m not sure why everyone thinks that this completly solves any problems. You have to get dialga G out, and if/when you do due tot he slowed deck, Gengar Lv X will be able to put you back at square one. Not saying Dialga G X isn’t a counter, it definetly is. But I see these decks being pretty even at worst.
There is a reason why players are using more Bebe’s than SP radar now days. As Cpeterik said, Power Spray. Crobat G taps for “Fainting Spell.”
Played against this deck earlier today. Doesn’t like Sablelock. Nor anything dark that runs ‘tombs either.
This thread can go on and on. Every deck has a counter. Gengar/ Vileplume/ Spiritomb isn’t bad, but it won’t win all of it’s SP match ups guaranteed. There’s a reason why SP decks are dominant: Options. Speed. Disruption.
There is a reason why players are using more Bebe’s than SP radar now days. As Cpeterik said, Power Spray. Crobat G taps for “Fainting Spell.”
Played against this deck earlier today. Doesn’t like Sablelock. Nor anything dark that runs ‘tombs either.
This thread can go on and on. Every deck has a counter. Gengar/ Vileplume/ Spiritomb isn’t bad, but it won’t win all of it’s SP match ups guaranteed. There’s a reason why SP decks are dominant: Options. Speed. Disruption.
They spray “Level Down” 4 turns in a row and win the game with SP engine while you are stuck with a hand full of Supporters.
Yeah that’s all.
It’s that easy. Even if you somehow have sprays 4 turns in a row when most sp lists only include 3, gengar could kill you in those 4 turns with only using Shadow room (not saying they should). Oh and doesn’t the SP engine kinda fail if you are using Cyrus every turn to get sprays?
Hah. Yeah, it’s true. But, I’m sure we can all agree that when Dialga is shutting off the opposing player’s main strategy, that they have some more resources and thus an advantage over the the other player.
It’s that easy. Even if you somehow have sprays 4 turns in a row when most sp lists only include 3, gengar could kill you in those 4 turns with only using Shadow room (not saying they should). Oh and doesn’t the SP engine kinda fail if you are using Cyrus every turn to get sprays?
http://pokebeach.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=85515
both of the stadiums. 3 bts, 1 miasma
What would you do when an Umbreon UD uses Moonlight Fang? Sure you could hope for some Fainting Spells but what if they run something like 4 Umbreons? What do you do about Dark decks like T-Tar? I was thinking of using a Zangoose and just cause some disruption but against a whole Dark deck, this deck has a very bad matchup me thinks :(
What would you do when an Umbreon UD uses Moonlight Fang? Sure you could hope for some Fainting Spells but what if they run something like 4 Umbreons? What do you do about Dark decks like T-Tar? I was thinking of using a Zangoose and just cause some disruption but against a whole Dark deck, this deck has a very bad matchup me thinks :(
no no . you pick off their bench with shadow room and then let fainting spell hit their active… i call it the double d attack lol…
You cannot KO GENGAR AND POWER SPRAY FAINTING SPELL…………. BECAUSE OF THE WORDING OF FAINTING SPELL says once during your opponents turn. AND POWER SPRAY says you can play this card on your opponents turn. That’s the official rules.
I was wondering if teching in Blaziken FB is worth it. I mean it can bring up Dialga G X if its on the bench since Shadow Rooming Dialga G X takes too long to kill it. I was thinking Lvling down everytime Dialga G X is out wouldn’t be that bad right??
I like the idea of deck.
BTW is “A Vile Tomb Guardian” good English name for such deck? (I’m asking because my native language is not english as you definitelly can see ;-) ).
Thank you and GL with your deck.
2 Uxie witch group is this one from???
1 Uxie LA