Colin’s Corner #02: Colin’s Worst Ideas of 2010

Another year has gone by, and so much has happened. We received 4 new expansions, witnessed the dominance of LuxChomp from CC’s all the way to Worlds, saw the rise of new Meta-Game decks such as Jumpluff, Donphan, and most notably, VileGar. We said goodbye to Claydol, Roseanne’s Research and “Dark Palm” Dusknoir; while ‘welcoming’ new rules such as “30+3”, private notes, and no Prize limitation in Match Play.

Over the past 12 months, many new innovations in deck building were achieved, and many rogue decks were tested. Some worked, and some just… Didn’t. This article is about the ones that didn’t. Without further ado, I present to you…

“Colin’s Worst Ideas of 2010”

1. Eggs/Hand-Job (Exeggutor LA/Flygon RR)

The Intro.

pokebeach.comWhen Judge was released, everyone quickly discovered that Pokémon had released the most disruptive Supporter card in our format. It was briefly legal while Team Galactic’s Wager was legal, and people began to switch to Judge because they would rather have their opponent draw a guaranteed 4 cards than give them the chance of drawing 6.

Judge was a fundamental card in the new up-and-coming Midwest/Florida disruptive deck that would ultimately become, “Sablelock”. Josh Wittenkeller took this deck under the Gateway Arch and won Regionals. Con Le was the underdog at Nationals; besting his opponent’s with his innovative Honchkrow SV tech to take the win.

It was this powerful disruptive quality that lead me to make a double-take at the Exeggutor in my binder. For zero energy, “Psychic Strategy” makes both players shuffle their hands into their decks, then draw the number of cards that were in each other’s hands. It became obvious that potentially giving your opponent zero cards, while you take 5 to 7, could be lethal.

The deck never strayed away from it’s fast, Trainer engine based roots, with the goal being a T2 “Psychic Strategy” for zero. What changed was the decks main attacker. In the beginning, I went with Gardevoir SW. With its powerful “Psychic Lock” attack, not only could you swing for 80 with an Expert Belt, but you could lock your opponent from using Powers, such as Uxie’s “Set Up” and Claydol’s “Cosmic Power”. This was the build I took to US Nationals, but ultimately chose to play Tyranitar. (You can read my Nats report here).

pokebeach.comThe biggest problem with the deck was Claydol. It didn’t matter how many cards you gave them if they can just “Cosmic Power” every turn for a fresh 6. After Worlds, the deck exploded. It had nothing stopping it, spare the random Charizard Deck (“Roast Reveal” posed the same problem as “Cosmic Power”).

Gardevoir was replaced by Flygon LV.X for it’s incredible sniping ability, cheap, powerful attack in “Power Swing”, it’s ability to give the entire deck free Retreat, and the amazing power of “Wind Erosion”. Combined with Slowking from HGSS, “Wind Erosion” could discard key cards and further destroy your opponent’s set up.

From the day after Nats all the way up until Fall Battle Roads, Jimmy Ballard and I relentlessly worked on the list. By now, the goal of the deck was simple. T2 “Psychic Strategy” for zero. Set up Slowking to manipulate your opponent’s top decks while taking prizes with Flygon. Use Flygon LV.X to discard good cards, and give them bad ones. On a perfect set up, the deck’s Win Condition is met by T3.

The List.

Pokémon – 25

3 Trapinch RR
2 Vibrava RR
2 Flygon RR
2 Flygon LV.X RR
4 Exeggcute LA
2 Exeggutor LA
2 Slowpoke UD
2 Slowking HS
2 Uxie LA
1 Regice LA
1 Ambipom G RR
1 Unown Q MD

Trainers – 28

3 Pokémon Collector
2 Looker’s Investigation
4 Poké Drawer +
4 Pokédex HANDY910is
3 Pokémon Communication
4 Rare Candy
2 Junk Arm
1 Energy Search
1 Expert Belt
1 Luxury Ball
3 Broken Time-Space

Energy – 8

2 Double Colorless
2 Cyclone
3 P
1 W

The Choices.

4 Exeggcute – It is your optimal starter. He can Call for Unown Q and another Exeggcute if you have to go first. Remember, your goal is to “Psychic Strategy” starting on T2, so wanting to start with Exeggcute in the Active Spot as much as possible is a no-brainer. 4 of them also gives you good “fuel” for Pokémon Communication.

3-2-2-2 Flygon LV.X This is the beefiest line that this list will allow room for. 3 Trapinch just in case 1 gets KO’d early. The 3rd Vibrava is optional, but I have won too many games due to a well-timed “Energy Typhoon.”

However, it had to be cut to 2 due to the space Junk Arm needed when it was released. 2-2 Flygon LV.X split gives you the best ability to sustain the lock if one of your Flygon’s goes down. Remember, if you lose the lock for even 1 turn, it can swing the entire game.

2-2 Slowking – “Second Sight” is what makes the lock work. You need to set it up ASAP to ensure your opponent doesn’t draw any searching cards. This line could be reduced to 1-1, but you would need to add Azelf into the list, and you wont have the option to “Second Sight” twice per turn which can be nice.

1 Regice – This card serves 2 functions in this deck. The 1st is to gust away Spiritomb early game in order to go off with your Trainer based engine. The 2nd, is to simply discard cards in order to help you get down to zero T2. The lone Water Energy is included in the list only to give Regice free Retreat.

1 Ambipom G During testing, we quickly realized that if the opponent was able to get a T2 one Energy attacker, (Donphan, Kingdra, etc..) the lock didn’t matter. They could just roll through you doing 60 per turn. Because of this, Ambipom G was added. On T3, follow the strategy like normal, giving your opponent zero cards. Pray they don’t top an energy or an Uxie.

pokebeach.comDuring your next turn, continue to set up your field with Flygon and Slowking, then promote Ambipom and “Tail Code” the only energy in play onto a non-threatening benched Pokémon. You’ve just solved the problem. “Second Sight” them to make sure they don’t draw the energy, and you’re good to go.

3 Collector – 3-of only 5 Supporters in the deck, this is mainly used to counter Spiritomb. You can Collect for Regice amongst other Basics, “Regi Move” and then start setting up. It’s also great to get stuff to use later on with Pokémon Communication.

2 Looker’s Investigation – This card is genius in this deck. Not only can you look to see if you are going to need to “Psychic Strategy” again, but you can shuffle your own hand in and draw 1 or 2 cards for an amazing “Psychic Strategy”. I like to draw 2, then discard them both with Regice.

2 Junk Arm Crazy good for taking another Luxury Ball, Pokémon Communication, or best of all, the 2nd pair of Poké Drawer +. Works in synergy with “Psychic Strategy” because it allows you to discard more cards.

1 Energy Search Re-Useable with Junk Arm, it helps you find crucial energy of a specific type to help you get out of tight spots. Pairs wonderfully with Flygon’s “Rainbow Float”.

2 Cyclone Energy Mainly included for the VileGar matchup to push Spiritomb out of the way.

The Problems.

pokebeach.comAfter Worlds, something funny happened. VILEGAR BECAME INSANELY POPULAR. VileGar basically says “You can’t play half your deck.” This is a huge problem. It is this main problem that shelved the entire project.

Another big problem facing the deck was the dreaded “One Topdeck.” You see, after a “Psychic Strategy” for zero, the opponent had 1 “Blind” topdeck. After that, you can safely control them with Slowking. Obviously, it would be disastrous to the deck’s strategy if you give them zero cards and their uncontrollable topdeck was an Uxie, Luxury Ball, or Pokémon Collector.

So, in your average metagame deck, that is 6 outs they hold to be released from the lock before it even starts. Even worse, there are more cards that can rid them of the lock on the turn after that! Cyrus’s Conspiracy, Bebe’s Search, and Pokémon Communication just to name a few. That’s an average of 13 outs that most decks hold to be released from the lock almost immediately.

The Future.

If and when Lost World is released, the focus will shift from Trainer Lock based Gengar SF decks to Speed based Gengar Prime decks. If and when this happens, one of Eggs’ main obstacles is solved. The other is still uncontrollable.

2. MewPerior (Mew Prime TR/Rhyperior LV.X LA)

The Intro.

pokebeach.comIn a message dated October 22nd, 2010, I text Jimmy the possibility of combining Mew Prime with Rhyperior LV.X, throwing in way too many energy, and swinging for obscene amounts of damage. From that point on, we started brain storming and didn’t stop.

I’m not here to claim that I “invented” MewPerior, but I do believe that because of me, Jimmy, Team “Dragon Rush Your Mom for 80,” and the rest of the Chicago crew, that the MewPerior list was forged and became what it is today.

On October 23rd, 2010, I ordered 4 Rhyperior LV.X. The day after Triumphant was released, I bought 4 Mew Prime. This was the next “Riptide”; the next “Queendom”; the next “Gardy/Gallade”! Or so we thought.

The idea was simple enough. T1 “See Off” for Rhyperior LV.X. Starting from T2, take 1 Prize per turn flipping over energy with “Hard Crush”. 6 turns later, shake your opponent’s hand.

The deck was insanely intriguing to anyone that saw it in action. It was fun, original, and most of all, it defied every law in the current format. The deck ran almost 30 energy, and no Uxie. Simply unheard of.

Naturally, word spread like wildfire. Suddenly everyone was trading for Rhyperior LV.X! Funny how binder-trash can turn to gold over night. Delcatty was added almost instantly, along with Smeargle, Rescue Energy, and Judge. Keeping your opponent off-balance through Judge disruption was part of the strategy from day 1. This initial list was very simple and looked something like this:

Pokémon – 16

4 Mew Prime
2 Rhyperior LV.X LA
2 Skitty PL
2 Delcatty PL
4 Smeargle UD
1 Combee SF
1 Unown Q MD

Trainers – 18

4 Pokémon Collector
4 Judge
3 Palmer’s Contribution
3 Bebe’s Search
4 Pokémon Reversal

Energy – 26

4 Call
4 Warp
4 Rescue
4 Cyclone
10 P

At this point, our only real Dialga G LV.X counter was Pokémon Reversal, which would hopeful drag it up before it could Level-Up. Option number 2 was to simply Judge them away from the X the entire game. This wasn’t the most sure-fire counter, but it worked for the time being.

The elephant in the room was DGX. It was obvious that once it hit the field, the game was over. So we went back to the drawing board. One variant nixed the Reversals and opted for a 2-2-2-2 Gengar LV.X line to be able to consistently “Level Down” DGX.

Another version included 2-2 Drifblim UD and Double Colorless Energy to be able to Pokémon Reversal up DGX and “Take Away”. Next, we experimented with just adding a very small line of the actual Rhyperior cards! Something like 2-2-2-2, only to be set up in the DGX match.

The problem with all of this “stuff” was just that. It was too much stuff. We simply didn’t have room for these big Pokémon lines, let alone the Rare Candy and Broken Time Space that they demanded. It was looking more and more like the best idea was to make the deck as consistent as possible, and take the auto-loss to DGX.

Not so easy to do, when almost 50% of metagame decks run DGX. Be that as it may, the brain storming continued. Mesprit, Dialga PL, and Seeker were added. Combee found it’s way out along with Call Energy and Palmer’s, and we added a legitimate back-up attacker in the form of Infernape 4 LV.X.

Infernape acted as an Umbreon, Mewtwo, and Gyarados counter all in one. It could also 1HKO DGX during the off-chance of it ever being active. Alternatively, Blaziken FB LV.X was added to some builds for it’s cheaper big attack, and it’s disruptive “Luring Flame” ability which, in a perfect world, would drag up Dialga, and follow up with a “Jet Shoot” 1HKO.

Due to the nature of this deck being so new and constantly changing, I must include a disclaimer that this is what I believe to be the best, most current, and overall, most politically correct version of MewPerior.

The List.

Pokémon – 24

4 Mew Prime
2 Rhyperior LV.X LA
3 Smeargle UD
2 Skitty PL
2 Delcatty PL
2 Blaziken FB SV
2 Blaziken FB LV.X SV
1 Mesprit LA
1 Uxie LA
1 Dialga PL
1 Unown Q MD
1 Gengar SF
1 Azelf LA
1 Crobat PL

Trainers – 14

4 Pokémon Collector
3 Seeker
3 Judge
2 Bebe’s Search
2 Snowpoint Temple

Energy – 22

3 Rescue
3 Cyclone
3 Warp
10 P
3 R

The Choices.

4 Mew Prime Your main attacker. The idea is to swarm him and hit for stupid damage for no energy. He loves Rescue Energy. Also important to run 4 to make a T1 “See Off” more likely.

2 Rhyperior LV.X It is very important to run 2, just in case 1 is Prized. No “See Off”? No game.

2-2 Delcatty – “Power Circulation” makes “Hard Crush” more economical. It is somewhat of a hot issue as to whether or not Delcatty is necessary, but I will personally swear by it. It can randomly 1HKO a Garchomp C LV.X, which is nice, and “Power Heal” is a really good trolling attack if the opportunity ever comes up to use it. It can also be an effective Mewtwo LV.X counter.

3 Smeargle – Included for its Poké-Power, “Portrait.” Not only does this puppy increase your Basics count, but it lets you use Supporters that you don’t have room to run. Basically, Mew loves to die, and every time he does, you can “Portrait” for a potentially game changing Supporter. He also acts as a great starter.

1 Mesprit – “Psychic Bind” can really turn the tide in a number of match ups. Namely, Gyarados, which relies on Regice to discard Magikarps. If you have a Mesprit, “I suggest you drop it” on T2. Then, “Luring Flame” Regice. He can’t “Regi Move” while he’s burned. On your next turn, you can “Jet Shoot” for the KO.

This will severely slow them down and make the Gyarados match much more manageable. Of course, “Psychic Bind” has too many other uses to count, but that is just one of them.

1 Uxie – We just couldn’t keep him out! Great for if you whiff the Psychic Energy for “See Off” or if you need to draw something like a Supporter. Just don’t be mad if you “Set Up” for only energy…

1 Dialga – “Reverse Time” lets you put up to 3 in any combination of basic Energy and Pokémon on top of your deck when you drop him onto your bench. This obviously combos well with “Hard Crush”, but beyond that, you can use it to draw crucial evolutions that you may have accidentally discarded during previous “Hard Crush”es.

1 Unown Q – Give Smeargle free Retreat. He’ll love it.

1 Gengar – This shifts your VileGar match up from 40-60 to nearly 70-30. Without it, Mews are forced to deal with “Fainting Spell,” and when you’re playing the Prize-trade, that doesn’t work. Instead, you can “See Off” Gengar and take easy Prizes with “Shadow Room”, bypassing “Fainting Spell” in the process.

If you manage your hand well, they’ll never be able to “Poltergeist” Mew for the KO, either.

3 Seeker This card sort of ties all of the 1-of techs together. It allows you to re-use “Psychic Bind”, “Reverse Time”, “Flash Bite” and “Set Up”. It can also fully heal Delcatty after using “Power Circulation” too many times. It can also be used to re-use Special Energy cards like Warp and Cyclone energy.

2 Snowpoint Temple Like I said, Mew loves to die. This card makes it just a little bit harder for him to do that.

3 Rescue Energy Did I mention that Mew loves to die?

3 Cyclone Energy To gust away the likes of Gyarados, Mewtwo LV.X, and Umbreon.

3 Warp Energy Mostly used to be able to “Portrait” on turns that Mew didn’t die. It’s also your out in case your opponent gets crafty and tries to “Bright Look” or “Luring Flame” your Dialga.

The Problems.

There are 3 huge issues currently standing in the way of the success of this deck. The first and most obvious is the ever present Dialga G LV.X. While DialgaChomp is currently a less popular play than LuxChomp, Dialga G LV.X manages to find it’s way into other decks as a 1-1 tech.

You can try to Judge them away from it, or “Luring Flame” followed by “Jet Shoot”, but any good player will be able to play around that and take the victory. The DGX match is the most painful thing in the world and is almost 0-100 in their favor. Not good.

The next issue is the fragility of Mew. With 60 HP and a weakness to Psychic, it doesn’t take much to 1HKO. Uxie + Expert Belt, Drifloon + Expert Belt, Shuppet, Haunter (Hoodwink). All of these fairly common cards have no problem going Prize-for-Prize with Mew.

Snowpoint Temple helps to an extent, but does nothing against Uxie/Drifloon + Belt. Going Prize-for-Prize isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but you have to get the first one.

Finally, the deck is prone to bad starts. With only 6 search Supporters, you could be left at the mercy of your top decks for several turns. If you don’t start with Smeargle, it is very likely that you drew and a handful of Energy and wont be able to get anything sustainable going until you top the Collector.

The Future.

Unfortunately, Dialga G LV.X isn’t getting any less popular. It’s popularity will likely surge as a metagame counter to Lost World decks if and when it is released. the truth is, no deck can be successful when it’s auto-loss is Top Tier.

3. El Cactus Del Diablo (Cacturne PT/Vileplume UD)

The Intro.

Auto-Paralysis is nothing to scoff at. I’ve always seen potential in Cacturne’s “Poison Experiment”, which for GD does 20 damage and either Poisons or Paralyzes depending on which you discard. Naturally, I combined it with Vileplume to lock trainers and kill them slowly, while Paralyzing every turn.

To be fair, the deck wouldn’t be possible without a few cards that recently came out, namely Fisherman and Burned Tower. For the deck to work, you would need a way to reliably attach and new Dark energy every single turn, and these 2 cards made it possible.

Add in Crobat and Skuntank G, and it was now possible to Paralyze them every turn, and time it so they die from Poison at the end of their turn, allowing you to continue the lock. In my mind, it was a better GlisTomb that didn’t fail to Judge.

The List.

Pokémon – 26

3 Cacnea PL
3 Cacturne PL
4 Spiritomb AR
2 Oddish LA
2 Gloom UD
2 Vileplume UD
2 Uxie LA
1 Shaymin UL
1 Shaymin LV.X PL (Land Forme)
1 Sneasel UD
1 Weavile UD
1 Skuntank G PL
1 Crobat G PL
1 Unown Q MD
1 Azelf LA

Trainers – 22

4 Pokémon Collector
3 Bebe’s Search
3 Cyrus’s Conspiracy
3 Seeker
2 Looker’s Investigation
2 Fisherman
1 Palmer’s Contribution
4 Burned Tower

Energy – 12

2 Warp
7 D
3 G

The Choices.

3-3 Cacturne – Your main attacker. “Poison Experiment” is what the deck is all about. Auto Paralysis at the cost of a Dark Energy discard can shut down a handful of decks on it’s own. It’s a good idea to stack it with energy, just in case you ever need to discard both to Poison and Paralyze, you wont miss a turn of the lock.

4 Spiritomb – Your optimal starter. The idea is to Trainer lock from T1, so running 4 is a no brainer.

2-2-2 Vileplume – The tried and true best line in any Trainer lock deck, as proven by the success of VileGar. Locking trainers in mandatory in this deck to forbid your opponent the use of Warp Point, Poké Turn, Super Scoop Up, or anything else that can cure Special Conditions.

1-1 Shaymin LV.X Even if you need to break the lock for 1 turn, Shaymin LV.X’s “Thankfulness” Poké-Body will make it almost impossible to 1HKO Cacturne, letting you continue the lock is peace. Not even Blaziken FB LV.X can 1HKO Cacturne while Shaymin LV.X is out.

1-1 Weavile – Used for it’s Poké-Power “Claw Snag,” which you would want to use to discard any Warp Energy or Evolutions/Level-Ups you may find in your opponent’s hand. If you didn’t already realize, we DON’T want your opponent to be able to get out of Paralysis.

1 Skuntank G “Posion Structure” makes it easy to kill Pokémon with even HP (80, 100), so that they die after your opponent’s turn. This should only be employed if you can’t afford break the lock by discarding both Energy off of Cacturne. While “Poison Structure” will slowly hurt Cacturne, it’s a small price to pay for ridding your opponent of the chance to attack.

1 Crobat G “Flash Bite” will make it possible to ensure Pokémon with uneven HP (90, 110), will die after your opponent ends his or her turn.

3 Cyrus’s Conspiracy Allows you to search for precious energy. It can also grab clutch Supporters like Seeker and Fisherman.

3 Seeker Allows you to re-use “Flash Bite,” “Set Up,” and “Claw Snag.” It can also fully heal any benched Pokémon, clear up bench space, or re-use Special Energy cards.

2 Looker’s Investigation – Not only does it combo well with “Claw Snag,” but you can disrupt your opponent if you see Warp Energy or Level-Up cards in their hand. Can also be a good hand refresher for yourself if your opponent’s hand is already bad.

2 Fisherman As stated, you need to attach a Dark Energy every turn. Fisherman lets you grab 4, which is 4 more turns of auto-Paralysis.

4 Burned Tower Once during your turn, this Stadium lets you flip a coin to put a basic Energy from your discard pile into your hand. This makes it viable to recycle your Dark energies consistently. It also acts as Skuntank’s Stadium.

The Problems.

Dialga G LV.X has extra italic text under “Time Crystal” that reads, “Fun Decks Don’t Work.” DGX will shut off “Allergy Pollen” and laugh as they Poké Turn out of Paralysis every turn.

The surprise factor may be enough to turn other match ups into favorable, but once your opponent catches on to what’s going on, they will save their Evolution and Level-Up cards until they can use them to cure Paralysis. This is a huge issue, because Cacturne hits for.. 20 damage.

Another issue is Warp Energy. Warp has gotten insanely popular in the last few months. It’s used in DialgaChomp, Gyarados, VileGar, MewPerior, and any other deck that runs a tech DGX or just has the room for 1 or 2. Cacturne doesn’t like Warp Energy.

Finally, the damage output is EXTREMELY LOW. This wouldn’t normally be a problem, as this is a stall deck at it’s core. However, with the above limitations, and all the ways that it is possible to remove Status Conditions even under Trainer lock, this is really what kills the deck.

The Future.

It is very unlikely that Warp Energy will lose popularity any time soon. Same with DGX. I played this deck at 2 CC’s and fell victim to all of it’s inherent flaws. The future is not bright, to say the least.


Building decks is one of the best creative outlets I know. It is so much fun play-testing new ideas with friends, coming up with crazy combos, and staying up ’till all hours ‘perfecting’ a list, even if it never sees the light of tournament play. For every 100 bad ideas, there will be one “Queendom,” one “Gardy/Gallade,” or one “Sabelock.” Until then, keep testing, and have fun.


I would like to add that I recently put up a whole bunch of cards on eBay, including a play-set of Reverse Holo Call Energy, a play-set of Cyrus’s Conspiracy, a set a 4 Mew Prime, and much more. All auctions started at $0.01 and most have no reserve. Check out my store here.

Reader Interactions

24 replies

  1. Anonymous

    Great article as always Colin! I don’t think judge was released when I won regionals, but I’ll take the shoutout anyways :D. Good luck discovering the next big rogue deck! If anybody can do it, it’d be you or jimmy : P

  2. Anonymous

    Great article! I enjoyed reading it a lot.

    I really can’t wait for the rotation. If it’s RR-on, those first few months are where good deckbuilders will get to shine, without fear of DGX or other SP or Machamp or any other shennanigens like that. Vileplume will still be around, but with Gengar SF gone, I’m positive its use will die down, too.

    • venny kid  → Anonymous

      If the format is truly RR on, personally I think Charizard builds will dominate, loosing very little to the rotation, and keeping the best draw power we have (Ninetails). Also, Arceus builds, with Machamp SF and Mewtwo X finally gone, will also see a lot of play. But most importantly, as you mentioned, ROUGE DECKS WILL BE POSSiBLE AGAIN!!! smiles

      • Anonymous  → venny

        Don’t forget Lost World. Assuming Lost World is released, Gengar decks will stick around. Even if Gengar Prime decks prove to be a bust, I’m positive its use will surge again post-rotation, kind of like how VileGar was severely over-hyped.

      • Ron Routhier  → venny

        I couldn’t agree more. the first deck I’m bringing back after rotation is Arceus. In fact, I hope the rotation is AR-on…………NO MORE SP

  3. matthew green

    Very good article. I seem to fall into the same boat. Being a Poke-dad I find I get the most enjoyment from building something no one else is using and then occasionally getting a big win with it at tourneys.

    The problem as you stated is there is a reason no one plays these decks. They all have enough flaws they just cannot compete with the meta decks. I mean SP has an answer for everything, Gyarados does 90 for NO energy and Vilegar stops you from playing half your deck. I think after rotation there is going to be a lot of room for deck building. Especially all those people who only know SP right now. They will all be putting those brains to use for something new.

    • Kevin Kuphal  → matthew

      Agreed. Want to thank Jimmy (and all those involved in the “Chicago” area) for a great time at the Huntley City Tournament this past weekend. I too fall into that “Poke-dad” category. I ran a deck with a similar goal as the first one in this article to control the deck. Worked once, fell apart most of the time as noted in the article as I too had a lot of SP matchups. Still managed 2/4 and had a great time. Looking forward to States in a couple months with yet another “unusual” build :)

      • Anonymous  → Kevin

        I think you were my 5th round opponent at Huntley! Being a sablock player, I thought that a locking deck with Weavile and Slowking was a great idea, but I could never get it to work. Best of luck in future tournaments!

      • matthew green  → Kevin

        Excellent, let me know if you need help with builds or playtesting (although I hate playing on Redshark, i recognize it’s necessity).

  4. Adam Capriola

    Nice stuff as always Colin! That Cacturne deck sounds pretty cool. It’s too bad Dialga exists, it seems to mess everything up.

  5. Dave Hueglin

    So nice to read about someone who is not afraid to take new deck ideas and try them out at tournaments. That was a great read. I have thought about making a deck with Cacturne many times. Maybe I’ll give him another look before he gets rotated out.

    • Colin Peterik  → DrMime

      I don’t think Pop is right about that one. He may be misremembering the wording on Poison Experiment. If he is right, then every TO at every tournament I took this to was wrong..

      • Papa_Mash  → Colin

        You cannot discard a grass and a dark energy from Cacturne to get the poisoning and paralysis but you can discard a Rainbow and get poisoning and paralysis. Poison Experiment only lets you discard “an” energy card so you are limited to discarding only one energy. Since a Rainbow counts as a grass and a dark (and everything else) when attached to Cacturne and it is a single energy card, it would meet the requirements of Poison Experiment to apply both poison and paralysis. This would kind of be like Energy Signal on Roserade UL (i.e., if you attach a Rainbow Energy, then Energy Signal would both confuse and poison the defending pokemon).

        • Colin Peterik  → Papa_Mash

          I get where this post and Pop’s post are coming from, but nowhere in the attack text does it say “an” energy card! The exact text is:
          You may discard a :Grass: or :Darkness: energy attached to Cacturne. If you discard a :Grass: Energy, the Defending Pokémon is now Poisoned. If you discard a :Darkness: Energy, the Defending Pokémon is now Paralyzed.

        • Papa_Mash  → Colin

          Sorry for paraphrasing Cacturne’s attack…maybe I am an idiot but I thought “a” = “an.” I thought the only difference between the two words is that you use “a” before words that start with a consonant sound and “an” before words that start with a vowel sound. So when paraphrasing the phrase “a Grass or Darkness energy” to boil it down to its essence I, in an attempt to use proper grammar, converted the phrase to “an energy.”

          As you note, the text of Cacturne states “you may discard ‘a’ Grass ‘or’ Darkness energy.” Using the general meaning of words….”a” means “one” and “or” is a conjunction that is used to indicate an alternative (as opposed to the word “and”, which is a conjunction that generally means “in addition to”). So, using the general meaning of the words, the phrase reads, at least to me, as you may discard one Grass energy or, in the alternative, one Darkness energy. As David notes, the text does not contain “and/or” (which is a phrase that I hope I will never see on a Pokémon card)…nor does it state something like you may discard up to one Grass energy and one Darkness energy.

          To simplify matters, I took the phrase “a Grass or Darkness energy”, omitted the alternative (i.e., “Grass or Darkness”), ended up with the phrase “a —- energy,” and, in fear of sounding illiterate, grammatically revised the “a energy” to “an energy.” Said differently, because of the use of the conjunctive “or”, the phrase can be simplified by removing the alternative to simply “an energy”. Trying to relate my thoughts in a simplified manner (which I thought was the norm with internet posts) was obviously an error in judgment on my part; hence, the apology.

          Rhetorical question: Does anyone remember this happening in an elementary school cafeteria…”You want a milk or orange juice?”…”Can I have both?”….”No, you can only have one”…?

          I am not saying I am correct—I admit that I am wrong all the time—just explaining my thought process. (I obviously do not know what were PokePop’s thought processes.)

          If the past rulings were wrong, there really is nothing you can do about them. But for the future, why don’t you provide your TOs PokePop’s response from the “Ask the Rules Team” forum and hash it out? If you still think you are correct, hit PokePop up again.

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