In this episode, I talk about my personal list for the 10 best decks to watch out for in HGSS-On. Check it out!
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- Jun 7, 2011
whats up Jwittz..lol
i think jumpluff can go far especially against donphan n machamp
It could two-shot them with leaf guard and defenders that would be a minus 70 to donphans earthquake
and to machamp it would survive by 10 and then use massive attack for the knockout
then you forget that they fighting tag to prevent you from taking a prize and can still kill you with a plus power
Machamp takes a while to hit the field and even if you did, machamp needs 4 energies to attack and even if you did, you need a plus power?
In the end, this video is an idea of top decks around, so a jumpluff deck can beat a donchamp deck and vice versa.
This is exactly what I was going to say. With Sunflora it should be easy to recover quickly from a ko, much more so than Machamp.
and then you forgot that i was talking to Jwittz..
Plus even if they knock me out..which most likely they won’t because i know ppl won’t run pluspower in that deck..i would have 2more jumpluff benched with a yanmega prime that can withstand machamp with a 110HP…
lol yanmega dies to machamp very easily by Champ Buster…
by the way what happens when they drop the Ruins of Alph for fighting resistance match-ups? Yeah they one shot you while you have to two shot them plus they just fighting tag out which ups their damage and takes away the prizes you would have taken. Yeah jumpluff has a bad donchamp matchup.
ok..you think what want..k? k
don’t 4get to factor in resistance
No Typhlosion Love?
typhlosion is terribad basically gives your opponent a pluspower…
Emboar is bad too cause you have to clog your hand with fire energies and have to rely on your hand for his effect, when judges can mess you up, weaviles, sharpedo, ampharos prime, pokemon catcher to make him stay there with 4 retreat cost.
So there EMboar and typlosion are both bad.
A deck should have enough consistency to survive a judge anytime in a game, weaviles mess anything up so that isnt a very good excuse to say a card is bad, sharpedo (really… you think poeple will actually use that thing?), ampharos prime is going to be rare at best because it will make decks clunky and inconsistat, catcher works both ways of typhlosion gets catchered to the active spot I have to attach for the turn and use my afterburner for the turn I cant attack now well crap….
Typhlosion Prime is not a bad card. It might not be quite as powerful as Emboar, but it is certainly not bad. Also, a Typhlosion Prime w/ Reshiram deck (not saying a good ReshiPhlosion deck is better than a good ReshiBoar deck) does not solely rely on Blue Flame to attack. It is more diverse and utilizes Outrage, Blue Flame, and Flare Destroy to attack. Also, a good Typhlosion Prime player should definitely be placing a Fire or Rescue Energy on Typhlosion Prime early in the game for future use anyway. So, if you Reversal (or Catcher) the Typhlsion Prime active, they should not be focusing on retreating with it, but rather attacking with it. While the 10 damage can be a problem, there are ways around it, I assure you.
I agree with you on the Judge point though. ReshiBoar (or any Emboar based deck) should have a support partner (Shuckle, Ninetales, or Magnezone Prime) to build the hand back up quickly. I just do not see Judge severely damaging an Emboar deck.
I also agree that Ampharos Prime is getting a little too much love. PlusPower gets the job done just fine. Ampharos could also hurt you in some matchups, like DonChamp that relies on every Pokemon in play for your opponent to have damage on it.
So then both cards are bad and good, cant put typlosion down just cause of the minus 10 damage, its worth the extra energy. Both cards have there good points and bad points.
Personally, really dislike typhlosion because i think mandibuzz will be popular and typhlosion just makes his job easier.
Good to know.
Whats the point of your comment?
Good to know
Can someone please ban this man?
Why? I have not bad mouthed anyone or disrespected another player, my internet was acting up. Sorry for the double post
Your the one trying to get someone banned, and thats pretty disrespectful.
I
Dont
Care
If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have replied.
I dunno what you got against typhlosion but its not a bad card, just has different perks from emboar. Plus comparing an old card to a new card is a lame bro.
How is comparing cards in the format lame? Maybe if I was comparing Gatr to say base set blastoise then it would be lame but really?
BTW I dont have anything wrong with Typhlosion, what I do have a problem with is bad advise and using saying that its a good idea to use typhlosion is bad advise…
Advice* Typhlosion came from the first packs of the hgss set, and B/W is a new set entirely so yea it pretty much is lame.
Also telling someone that like a card, to say is bad, is bad advice.
so you dont compare cards that are in the same format? that explains everything…
Please stop this. You can not use Emboar, but people will, and you’ll see how good it is. You go ahead and try everything you just said, you’ll see it has flaws too. There is no flawless card in the format. Name any card, I’ll give you a flaw with it.
like A Z said. sharpedo isnt going to be used much and if you do play agaisnt it then they get double heads, well thats what i call a lucksac. catcher and weavile hurt both players so thats kinda piontless. then amphy prime isnt a problem. they put 2 damage counters on my reshiram. OOOOOHHHHH whatcha gonna do now. are you gonna thunder me for 80, or 40 and make me discard an energy so i take a another 10 next turn. amphy isnt a tech. it has to be a focus and it just doesnt have the power to be a focus.
Whats the point of your comment?
I’m just curious, but have you ran any deck with emboar? In my magneboar deck, i just power up my magnezone with the 2 energy he needs then put the rest on emboar. his attack might be costly, but in a deck where you can lost zone its energy anyway, there’s no point in keeping them in your hand. Pull out emboar? That’s fine, I’ll just heat crash you to death.
I am going to do what I always do:
This is your comment:
Emboar is bad too cause you have to clog your hand with fire energies
and have to rely on your hand for his effect, when judges can mess you
up, weaviles, sharpedo, ampharos prime, pokemon catcher to make him stay
there with 4 retreat cost.
So there EMboar and typlosion are both bad.
Now this is the sane version of your comment:
Emboar has its downsides too cause you have to clog your hand with fire energies
and have to rely on your hand for his effect, when judges can mess you
up, ampharos prime can sorta mess you up, but keep in mind thats a stage 2, pokemon catcher to make him stay
there with 4 retreat cost that you can solve simply by playing switch or having 4 fire energies in your hand, attach with his ability, retreat, and use fisherman. Or you can use his attack. Sure, say heavy cost. I say Inferno Fandango. Also keep in mind that Pokemon USA tries to keep broken cards out of sets until the last minute, which catcher will most likely be no exception to.
So there Emboar and typhlosion are both good cards with downsides.
Please think before you post nonsense. You’re acting like a child or a noob. Every card has downsides. All you’re doing is making a fool of yourself. Sure, you can ignore this comment, but then everyone will think you’re a VIP: Very Insignificant Person
So obviously the comment above saying Typhlosion is terribad is perfect to you?
Emboar is just popular right now cause its new. Typlosion is still a great card, cause he doesnt need your hand, which most deck run judge just for emboar and blastigater/floatzel. The one damage suck but if its to a reshiram, he still has 120 hp, so only a mirror match or zekrom can take him down, but those decks already run pluspower so who cares.
hi josh
hi ryan : P
Good episode. Looking forward to concocting a weird rogue list for Nats. Any cards you think are underdogs in this format?
Glad you liked it! It’s actually really hard to get a solid rogue concept in HGSS-On because the card pool is only around 450 cards max. I think some strong underdogs are Samurott, Zoroark, and decks that can fit in Claw Snag Weavile for disruption. Anything with a winnable Emboar variant matchup and an at least playable matchup vs. the tier 2 stuff should have a pretty good shot. The only problem is there aren’t too many concepts that fit those categories : P
wailord. since the majority of decks are fire(typhlosion prime, emboar, ninetales) based wailord tank can OHKO them if you have more HP. SSU is epic heal card(one time flipped heads while i had 170 on me!) and reversals(soon to be catcher) makes bringing up embaor(or ninetales) up easy. then to add to the pain you dish, donphan has water weakness. also another deck idea ive been testing is RDLboar(not reshiboar) where RDL is main focus attacker rather then teched. other decks try to take 6 prizes. RDl tries to take 3 kills. :) those are just some of the rogues ive been thinking of and testing.
This sounds like fun. Has anyone tried Wailord variants? Even though it’s a Stage 1, it’s super slow! I think Samurott is better, but I haven’t tested. I had a lot of fun this format using Tangrowth with a similar attack, but I also had the advantage of Celebi Prime for energy acceleration, Tangrowth Lv.X for added HP and healing, and Shaymin Lv.X for the +40 HP. There’s no way to increase base HP in HGSS-on. And I wish there were easy energy acceleration for Wailord. : /
stage 1 that uses feraligatr and has incredibly high hp and almost autowins against emboar is pretty good.
Try Serperior if you aren’t afraid of a clunky list
Personally, I think that there will be several decks that are really good. If you have a big Tier 1, you might as well call everything else Rogue.
Thank you so much, I’ve been out of the game for a while and this is exactly what I needed.
I’m glad to hear it! That’s exactly what the show Prof-It! tries to gear towards. The analysis isn’t super advanced, but it’s not super basic either. I try to help beginners and experienced players alike, and I especially love helping people get into the competitive game : )
You cudve included Scizor or Steelix.
but reshiboar eats them for breakfast, lunch, snack, diner, then snack.
Maybe scizor since its still a fast card/deck, steelix…i dont think he’ll make it this format thanks to sigh reshiram Legendary pokemon ruin the fun lol.
dude how can you make so many mistakes in 1 episodes
how could you make an episode to help people????
Oh wait you didnt…
He doesn’t read from a script anymore, and he makes annotations whenever someone notices an slip up. What’s the big deal?
Only one little nitpick. You said that Tyranitar couldent easily add a Donphan counter. Dark decks can add the BEST Donphan/Machamp counter in the format, Umbreon UD. For one energy it simply cant be hit by either attacker, yes they can load up a machop/machock but this leaves them open for easy return knockouts so its a win for the dark deck. Wile not great against all decks its a great tech easily added.
umbreon doesnt wall dnphan very good as it takes 12 turns to kill a donphan. since it only does 10 with fang.
If it’s Dark vs. DonChamp your best bet is to tech in Mandibuzz against Machamp… there isn’t much that hits cheap to KO Donphan… but a good idea is a 1-0-1 or a 1-1-1 or play it fully… I’m referring to Kingdra Prime.. my reason for using a small amount is obviously because of Reshiram and Emboar becoming popular. Plus you could just bench it and use it’s Poke-Power every turn. Or another idea is to play T-Tar,Umbreon, Kingdra… keep Kingdra on bench and use Poke-Power.. then use Moonlight Fang + Darkness Energy for 30 Damage a turn making 12 turns only 4 turns. My last idea is using Tyranitar’s Power Claw but use that with 1 Darkness and 1 DCE and Kingdra’s Poke-Power for 80 a turn… I believe the attack slashes Exoskeleton making it so it “isn’t affected by powers, bodies, or any other effects”
umbreon is not a good counter to donchamp because a good donchamp will play one non-prime version for that case
Non-prime of what? Machamp SF is gone and Donphan HS/CL is pretty bad.
I actually talk about umbreon in my Underground article, and I guess I should have brought him up in my UG article, too. A smart player with experience can just 2-shot him with machoke, but it’s a nice surprise card that many players don’t expect.
Or what about Houndoom that hits 80 for 1, or 90 with a darkness so long as they have a Fighting Pokemon in play?
well no offence but houndoom’s attack is only good against fighting decks and with x2 weakness to them he is auto OHKO’ed back. Umbreon can be useful against Magnezone, Yanmega, Lantern and some other support/backup attackers like Typhlosian and Ferligator.
inb4 Emboar price skyrocketting
I can’t wait until the next Pokemon set comes out. 6 sets just doesn’t seem to give enough variety.
Considering that Call of Legends is largely a reprint set and it’s only like 4 1/3 too. I’m excited that we have a new format to work with, but it’ll be best when we have a bigger pool of total cards
I would just like to see well-rounded weakness variety; For example, the format is lacking a good stage 1 water Pokemon to counter Emboar. I’m not saying it would have been the answer but I don’t think Beartric should have been removed from BW.
Also, I feel the format is going to go through a transformation when Pokemon Catcher is released. Shuckle/Ninetails/Sunflora/etc won’t be safe anymore. 4 Retreat Emboar will be easy bait to quadruple poison and snipe the bench later. Vileplume/Gothitelle will have enhance value.
i’m guessing that catcher is going to be like lost world. the japaneese card comes out early and it stalls for english print.
Why didn’t you say a word about Blastoise UL (paired with either Feraligatr Prime or a bunch of Floatzels UL)? In my opinion in a meta flooded with fire and donhpan decks (and NO Power Sprays) it could get really good results :)
I’m just curious, but have they announced the release of pokemon catcher? everyone keeps talking about it like it’s already in the format and really, by nationals, it’s not going to be. **rants quietly to self then calms down** but this was a great video. I think I’m feeling a stage 2 toolbox list coming on……….
thnk you jwittz for posting yet another great video. You are better at this than PokemanDan for sure.
I’m seeing people talk about “Umbreon isn’t good enough… DonChamp could use one non-prime…” stuff like that.. here’s what I’m saying..
DonChamp players… – Play 1-1 or 2-2 of Cinccino cuz you probably already use DCE for Machamp Prime.
T-Tar players… – Play Kingdra or Mandibuzz… Kingdra doesn’t need many energy and has a good Poke-Power, Mandibuzz has resistance not weakness to Fighting and can hit Machamp Prime easily.
Put some decor on the walls. Otherwise, good post, well-presented
Josh. I have one question. Which would be the best deck (by damage and speed) to use of these 4. MegaZone, Ross’s Deck, Reshiphlosion, and Magneboar. Im getting all of these except Ross’s Deck and I want to know if its worth it to buy ross’s deck or not. P.S Do you play playtcg.me? I do! – Infernapeguy26