Empoleon DEX/Deoxys EX

Discussion in 'Deck Help & Development' started by Gelatin, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. Gelatin

    Gelatin So soft and jiggly.

    Because I'm suicidal for wanting to play Lightning weak Pokemon in a format with TDK.

    And maybe just a little tipsy.

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    4 Piplup DEX
    1 Prinplup DEX
    4 Empoleon DEX
    4 Deoxys EX
    1 Ditto BCR

    4 Professor Juniper
    4 N
    4 Skyla
    2 Colress
    2 Cheren

    4 Rare Candy
    4 Team Plasma Badge
    4 Pokemon Catcher
    4 Ultra Ball
    3 Switch
    1 Level Ball
    1 Super Rod
    1 Dowsing Machine

    8 Water Energy

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    Empoleon+Plasma Badge with 12 Pokemon in play and 4 of them being Deoxys EX on my bench means I hit for a magical 160 damage which OHKOs...nothing that needs to be OHKO'd. However, it helps to boost Empoleon's damage when his attack can be severely hampered by how my opponent plays their field.

    Optimally, if I can have a field of 5 (active Empoleon w/Badge, 1-2 benched Empoleon, 2-3 Deoxys EX) against theirs of maybe 2-3 Pokemon, I can still be swinging for 100 with Attack Command thanks to Power Connect. This is a clean 2HKO on just about everything which is what most decks should be striving for.

    The number one threat to this deck? Getting DONK'd by Thundurus EX and I guess just Thundurus EX in general. Big stupid Raiden Knuckle one-shotting my Piplups without even batting an eye. A single copy of Ditto probably won't completely stop that from happening but every little thing helps.

    I've seen Empoleon lists with Exeggcute and while it does seem incredibly helpful since it pretty much turns Empoleon into an infinite draw engine, I don't like the idea of having five DONK-able basics in the deck. Though it is really tempting. I have a 4th Skyla in its place for now.

    This deck, like most, could probably benefit from Hypnotoxic Laser but with Team Plasma Badge, this list is plenty crowded.

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    Well, there you have it folks. Blast away.
  2. stmlacek1

    stmlacek1 rouge specialist

    what about running plasma engery and plasma frigate to remove weakness
  3. TechnoLegend

    TechnoLegend Active Member

    If you included some blend energy, you could try and include cobalion ex and/or landorus ex, to apply some first turn pressure, either spreading damage, or destroying energy while you set up, it would also help you from getting donked, every attacker in the deck would still only need 1 energy to attack
  4. Gelatin

    Gelatin So soft and jiggly.

    Because space limitations and Virbank City Gym.

    If I were to include Plasma Energy I'd need to drop 4 of something else for it to be worth spit which would cut into my consistency considerably. If Plasma Badge wasn't there than maybe, yeah. But without Plasma Badge, I might as well not use Deoxys to boost my Attack Command in the first place. And 8 Water Energy is plenty low already, I can't cut any more from that.

    It's a good idea but I feel like this deck is plenty busy as it is.

    TechnoLegend: Cobalion EX might be worth a look but I'm slightly dubious about Landorus EX just because Kyurem PLF. Now that I think of it, Kyurem can one-shot my Empoleon's with just two Deoxys on the bench...
  5. TechnoLegend

    TechnoLegend Active Member

    Is kyurem played in every deck? Don't play landorus down if its not going to help you, use cobalion instead agiants that. But against ray eels/darkrai decks coballion does nothing but Pandora is hitting for 60 to a darkrai and 30 to bench.
  6. TechnoLegend

    TechnoLegend Active Member

    Is kyurem played in every deck? Don't play landorus down if its not going to help you, use cobalion instead agiants that. But against ray eels/darkrai decks coballion does nothing but landorus is hitting for 60 to a darkrai and 30 to bench. But without a first turn something, empoleon will never even have a chance
  7. Gelatin

    Gelatin So soft and jiggly.

    I'm just lamenting how absolutely terrible the TDK match up is, is all. Definitely agree with needing a T1 move for Empoleon.
  8. Zarco

    Zarco Alternate format enthusiast

    Empoleon/Beach could be a thing, provided you can find a way to avoid the donk.
  9. Verrain

    Verrain Active Member

    I've really been liking a teched Propagation Exeggcute for Diving Draw abuse in Empoleon decks.
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  10. Mr_Rumpleteezer

    Mr_Rumpleteezer Hovercat Mod

    Really neat idea. Here are my thoughts:

    - Tropical Beach is good. Unless you need to Fury Attack (does that happen often?), you aren't doing anything else turn 1.
    - If this doesn't help you OHKO anything, as you noted, and you will still likely be hitting the 2HKO, why not just go to Dusknoir and other pals for Empoleon? I suppose testing will help answer that.
    - Put in an Exeggecute. Put in two if you can fit it. Free ultra balls.
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