Tier 1 Virizion EX, Genesect EX

Discussion in 'Competitive Deck Discussion' started by Serperior, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. SoldiersSpirit

    SoldiersSpirit I will defend my Kingdom.

    But majority of the arguments are about running 1 Deoxys. 60 + 60 doesn't = 130...
  2. indercarnive

    indercarnive Well-Known Member

    i feel like laser makes the same math, laserbank megalo cannon OHKOs a kyurem, though it wouldnt be as good vs mirror, but i feel a good bouffalant count could fix that.
  3. TylerLindsey

    TylerLindsey Road to DC.

    After a fair amount of testing, this is where I'm currently at.

    4 Virizion EX
    3 Genesect EX
    2 Bouffalant (DRX)
    1 Deoxys EX
    1 Mr. Mime

    4 Professor Juniper
    4 N
    3 Skyla
    2 Bianca

    2 Virbank City Gym
    1 G Booster
    4 Hypnotoxic Laser
    4 Pokemon Catcher
    4 Ultra Ball
    4 Float Stone
    3 Potion
    1 Energy Search

    9 Grass Energy
    4 Plasma Energy
  4. SoldiersSpirit

    SoldiersSpirit I will defend my Kingdom.

    You have no colress machine and 4 Flost stone is way too much...

    your deck is heavily outclassed by the mirror
  5. JR_nathan

    JR_nathan Mr.3 Rings Himself

    Hypnotoxic Laser and Virbank would help out the deck's math tremendously, there's just one small, tiny problem with this. Once people see how good VirGen is with LaserBanks, they too will run it and soon there will be so many VirGen decks that they will face each other and automatically have 6 useless cards.

    Then, someone will realize why not just take out the Lasers and Virbanks and put other stuff in for the mirror.

    All the sudden, these type of VirGen builds will be seeing more and more play because they are more consistent and can beat out the Laser VirGens. From there, people will start to see how underwhelming VirGen really is, and the meta will shift once again to other tier 1 decks like TDK, Blastoise and mabye even other tiers like Garbodor and Darkrai making VirGen popularity minimal to none.

    Next thing you know, the whole circle starts up again until a new set is released or Energy Switch gets reprinted.

    This just a scenario of what might happen in the future, a scenario of which I dread happening, but will probably happen none the less.
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  6. SoldiersSpirit

    SoldiersSpirit I will defend my Kingdom.

    We more than likely will be getting energy switch ;)
  7. pokemonguy

    pokemonguy Making Bad Last-Minute Changes Since Nats 2014

    Should be next set, and I stress should.
  8. JR_nathan

    JR_nathan Mr.3 Rings Himself

    The problem with "next set" is that it's going to be 3 more months before we get it. That's 3 months of TDK and Laser VirGens/regualr VirGens with a little Garbodor on the side.

    Also, I'm sure no one can yet confirm we're even getting E-Switch next set, since the set list hasn't been revealed.
  9. GreenPepper

    GreenPepper Badly addicted to League of Legends

    Energy switch wasn't in the Japanese EX Battle Boost. Maybe Spiritomb will be a problem cause you can't play G Booster
  10. baby_mario

    baby_mario Doesn't even care

    It's in the Mewtwo vs Gensect decks that were released with Battle Boost.

    I don't think Spiritomb is worth worrying about.
  11. TylerLindsey

    TylerLindsey Road to DC.

    I am not a fan of Colress Machine in this strategy; in my experience, dedicating your early turns towards Emerald Slashing is far more beneficial in the long run than a turn two Megalo Cannon or G Booster.

    I definitely disagree with four retreat cards being too many, but if you were referring to Float Stone specifically, is there anything that is even a better fit? The deck doesn't need switch thanks to Verdant Wind, and Skyarrow Bridge competes in the Stadium slot with my Virbanks. Perhaps I am missing something.
  12. ThePirateKingAtomsk

    ThePirateKingAtomsk Red Haze Stalker

    Guys please don't get my hopes up, I swear if we get energy switch I will quit school to play pokemon.

    not really but I'd be so happy.

    Imagine if they just make the grass starter Stage 2 move grass energy. I'm getting off-topic sorry sorry.

    I've been doing pretty ok against plasma without Balloons but I want to play them now. I've actually been getting spanked and- I mean terribly by Trubbish a lot lately. I honestly don't think it's going to show up often, but It can turn 2 everything we throw at it. I'm terrified of that deck.

    Silver Mirror on the Sigi and Masq kept making them hard to ko, and the exp shares kept the onslaught stable. I feel like I lost a lot simply just to not being able to attack first turn. I just couldn't get the colress, badge and grass often enough. I actually don't even like badge too much. Sometimes it's amazing, sometimes I'm wishing desperately that it was another card (energy switch).
  13. Gelatin

    Gelatin So soft and jiggly.

    E-Switch is a card that a lot of decks are hurting for and is what's keeping me from playing my main man, Darkrai.

    It'd be an easy 3-of in this deck, were I to build it.
  14. indercarnive

    indercarnive Well-Known Member

    scrapper or laser to prevent energy transfer, once trubbish runs out of energy you win.
  15. GreenPepper

    GreenPepper Badly addicted to League of Legends

    If you are really, really scared of Trubbish, play Chatot.
  16. thematteo0

    thematteo0 The quintessentially British gentleman.

    Be careful though with Chatot PLB because if they have a Silver Mirror attached to a non-EX Pokemon(which is basically every card in the deck) then Chatot can't actually discard the Tools attached to them, and seeing as most lists run four Silver Mirror, as long as they are clever they can prevent Chatot causing them a huge blow.
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2013
  17. pokemonguy

    pokemonguy Making Bad Last-Minute Changes Since Nats 2014

    You can use catcher.
  18. infernaperocks

    infernaperocks A Proud Member Of Team Rouge!

    or run 2 scrapper
  19. GreenPepper

    GreenPepper Badly addicted to League of Legends

    Or Tool Scrapper
    Or Red Signal
  20. JR_nathan

    JR_nathan Mr.3 Rings Himself

    Catcher won't affect whether or not Chatot's attack takes affect, because it applies to all your opponent's pokemon in play anyways. If you want Chatot to work, Scrapper their Silver Mirrors and then it will go through to those pokemon.